JMS on Compuserve: October 19 - 29, 1995

The Green Meddler kilgalen at
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Subj:  <Divided Loyalties>		Section: Babylon 5
  To:  The Jawa / Jawa #2	Wednesday, October 18, 1995 4:15:17 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#373788
<	Okay.
	Sooooo, Zathras is from the Planet, huh?
	(Does it have a name, and I missed it?)
	Very interesting--it also blew about sixteen of my theories out of the 
water <G>.
	The scene with G'Kar in the Council Room was very moving; it illustrated 
exactly what each character has become.
	Now, about those Rangers: Are they Sinclair's, still, or did he send them 
there as a sort of recon team for Sheridan?
	(Slowly, I'm warming up to Sheridan again.)
	Excellent writing, Joe, and you'll excuse me while I go watch it again...
			The Jawa
			Kidism Patrol
			<<"My allies
			have begun to
			worry me.">>>

     Thanks; and the planet is Epsilon 3.


Subj:  Talia/Garibaldi/Comic#8		Section: Babylon 5
  To:  John McAuley		Wednesday, October 18, 1995 8:24:08 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#374131

     "...picture of Talia on conveyer with red net over her face."

     C''re saying anybody'd be able to recognize a flash image of 
a woman with a red net over her face as much as 7 years later...?


Subj:  Talia/Garibaldi/Comic#8		Section: Babylon 5
  To:  John McAuley, 		Thursday, October 19, 1995 5:44:12 AM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#374675
<But I had to set the record straight when you said Mr G hadn't seen her.

He had a good look, and she had a name tag on. It said "Winters T.".

I wonder if Mr G has said "I never forget a face" on air?

Must check some time. (I think I'm enjoying this <g>)>

     As I recall, the Winters, T badge was only visible in the next to last 
panel, which is a narrative flashback, not him personally.


Subj:  Episodes Evaluation		Section: Babylon 5
  To:  peter  stathis, 	Wednesday, October 18, 1995 4:15:12 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#373786

     If I were simply going to tell everyone what's going to happen, there 
would be little point in actually making the series, true?


Subj:  Episodes Evaluation		Section: Babylon 5
  To:  Terry Cotant	Thursday, October 19, 1995 5:44:11 AM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#374674
<Hey, PMJI (and changing subjects..), but is there someone @ Babylonian 
(sp?) Productions that I can get some 3D models (and maybe even texture 
maps) from? 
I'd like to do some nice fan-art animations.. (Possible?)>

     Unfortunately, we can't release that info outside the company for 
copyright reasons.


Subj:  Ellison CITY Note		Section: Star Trek
  To:  Randall Chrisman, 	Wednesday, October 18, 1995 4:15:15 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#373787

     No "I told you so" involved; I've seen the galleys, there were 150 
major typos, it couldn't be released like that.  So correcting those took 
an additional 3 weeks.  
Nothing to do with anything but production glitches in manufacture.


Subj:  WOTW: DS9 Imitates B5?		Section: Star Trek
  To:  Michael Ogrinz, 	Wednesday, October 18, 1995 4:36:04 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#373808

     Not backwards at all when one considers that in general B5's ratings 
have been slowly, consistently improving in non-rerun periods since it went 
on the air.  
No, it didn't start out in the top figures because it didn't have the ST 
name that guarantees ratings.  It's had to find its audience, and vice 
versa.  And this it has been doing.

     In LA, the first new episode of B5, aired right after a new DS9 
episode, got a 6.3 rating and a 10 share, as opposed to a 5.3/9 for DS9.

     And even *absent* all that...even a lower rated show can challenge one 
Twin Peaks never got the big numbers, but it had a major impact in breaking 
open some of the elements that others have used since, in shows like 
X-Files and American Gothic and others.

     On this whole question...if you saw the DS9 2-hour debut, with the 
action scenes, you may want to check out the show airing this week.  You 
might find it interesting....


Subj:  No vcrs?				Section: Babylon 5
  To:  Sharon Foster, Thursday, October 19, 1995 1:09:01 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#375031
<Would you have still attempted something as complex as Babylon 5 if VCRs 
were not as common as they are now?  
Say, ten years ago? Is it something you took into consideration at all?>

     The story is the story, regardless of the medium some might use to 
record them at home.


Subj:  No vcrs?				Section: Babylon 5
  To:  Arthur Stoppe,	Friday, October 20, 1995 1:16:22 AM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#375871

     I've never given much thought to the home video market; I don't get a 
direct piece of it, and it's a secondary revenue stream as far as PTEN is 
concerned and thus not very important, as testified to by the fact that they 
still haven't even put any cassettes OUT in the US.


Subj:  No vcrs?				Section: Babylon 5
  To:  Sharon Foster,		Friday, October 20, 1995 1:16:25 AM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#375872

     Well, even without VCRs, eventually the show will be stripped daily 
(one hopes, at least), once the show is over.  
Some here have tried, as an experiment, watching them straight through, one 
per day, and all the clues and bits and foreshadowings jump out immediately 
that way.  So it probably works fine either way.


Subj:  <TLTS & Stuff>			Section: Babylon 5
  To:  Chad Underkoffler, 	Thursday, October 19, 1995 1:09:03 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#375032

     Re: your note about 500 Narns for every 1 may want to 
check our own history.  During the occupation of some parts of Europe 
during WW II, similar tactics were used.  
In some cases the threat rose as high as 100-200 Jews or Russians executed 
for every Nazi killed; much the same has been done in earlier history.  
Five hundred to one is a figure relatively consistent with what humans have 
done from time to time when we wish to instill terror.  So I find this a 
curious quibble.


Subj:  <TLTS & Stuff>			Section: Babylon 5
  To:  Philip Hornsey, 	Friday, October 20, 1995 1:24:19 AM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#375889

     Actually, Londo *specifies* that the 500 will include "the 
perpetrator's own family."


Subj:  <TLTS & Stuff>			Section: Babylon 5
  To:  SysOp Dupa T. Parrot,	Friday, October 20, 1995 1:16:25 AM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#375873

  RE: the scene where Londo watches the mass drivers fire upon the Narn 
Home World...

  What's holding Londo to the deck? Velcro(tm)? Suction cups? The 
w\e\i\g\h\t\ mass of his sins? Something else?>

     Some races, like the Centauri and the Minbari, use drive systems built 
to varying degrees on magnetic and gravitational forces; 
some of them don't so much go to a planet as create a situation where they 
are drawn toward it. 
One of the side effects of this is a field allowing for artificial gravity. 
Earth doesn't have this level of technology, however.


Subj:  Bab5 cancellation HELP		Section: Babylon 5
  To:  Dale Duncan,		Saturday, October 28, 1995 6:44:28 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#385876

      What you can also do, btw, is get together lots of other folks, using 
SF and comic stores, to sign a petition and go to another station and urge 
them to pick it up once it becomes available.  This has worked in other 


Subj:  Telepathic Vorlons		Section: Babylon 5
  To:  Michael  Zitaglio,	Wednesday, October 25, 1995 10:16:05 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#382840

      They have certain potentialities, but I'd rather not go into them 
here quite yet.


Subj:  <spoiler: Comes the Inq>		Section: Babylon 5
  To:  Marte Brengle, 	Wednesday, October 25, 1995 10:16:06 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#382841

     Short of convincing them via pressure, I can't think of anything.


Subj:  Influence?			Section: Babylon 5
  To:  Terry Cotant [RSS],	Wednesday, October 25, 1995 10:16:08 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#382842

     No, had nothing to do with Q, it's deciding what kind of person our 
Mr. Sebastian might've been, and working from  there.  When you have 
a character with as vivid and powerful as his, you don't need 
to look to ST for any ideas on character.  
And unlike Q, Sebastian has no powers of his own, just the force of his 


Subj:  Influence?			Section: Babylon 5
  To:  Terry Cotant [RSS], 	Thursday, October 26, 1995 8:07:17 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#383837

     Wayne has primarily done stage work, not a lot of TV, he's kind of a 


Subj:  Influence?			Section: Babylon 5
  To:  Ray Pelzer,		Sunday, October 29, 1995 3:37:25 AM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#386238

     Okay, here's one clue for any would-be Ripperologists out there.

     In all the long story of Jack, when he was out doing his nightly work, 
only one person, a woman, wrote an actual letter, published in the London 
Times, offering an *explanation* for the Ripper's work, 
arguing that he was trying to send a message, that maybe people should 
listen to that message. It was as close as anyone's ever come to an 
actual *defense* of what he was doing.

     Note the woman's name, and who her husband was...a man who was twice 
interviewed by Scotland Yard, and interviewed by many Church officials, the 
transcripts of which have been *sealed* by the Church ever since, 
at the request of the family...a person who was the last man to see at 
least one of the victims alive...and who was a direct blood relative of the 
man who was living with the final victim (who was killed indoors, 
leading to the speculation that she knew her assailant)...who suffered a 
breakdown just before the murders began, was obsessed with cleaning up 
the Whitechapel area, and after whose sudden, hasty transfer, the murders 
stopped...and whose profession is tied *directly* to the only thing the Ripper was 
overheard to say to one of his victims.


Subj:  <Twilight Struggle >		Section: Babylon 5
  To:  Elyse M. Grasso, 	Wednesday, October 25, 1995 10:16:14 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#382844

<Just another note of appreciation.... now that I've finally seen TLTS, I 
can't find adequate words to describe its impact. 
(And a lot of the few I can find have already been used by other people. I 
think I was one of the last people here to see it.) Londo Mollari, John Sheridan 
and G'Kar grow more 3-dimensional all the time.>

      Thanks...and the amazing thing is, it continues to improve....


Subj:  Londo's Cough			Section: Babylon 5
  To:  Nigel Nixon, 		Thursday, October 26, 1995 12:34:30 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#383256

      Not that it just looked better per se, but the gunshots came from 
right to left; the gun hand as originally shot fired from left to right.  
It looked very funky when edited together, like it was going in a different 
direction than the one it was fired in.  Flopping the shot corrected that.


Subj:  <CtI---OK>			Section: Babylon 5
  To:  Jan Fennick,		Thursday, October 26, 1995 12:37:18 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#383257

     "catch me a kvetch, find me a flarn...."


     (Who woke up this morning humming "While My G'Kar Gently Weeps")

Subj:  Videotapes from jms		Section: Babylon 5
  To:  Marte Brengle, 	Thursday, October 26, 1995 2:18:31 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#383382

     In answer to your question (383177)....

     As you've noted, the Powers That Be at Warner Bros. don't think there 
is a market for B5 tapes, from the first season to present.  The *only* way 
that they can ever be released is if the fans themselves take action.  
That is the absolute bottom-line.  Only if the fans speak out will this 
happen. This is not a drill, and I don't pass along this kind of information 
lightly or often, even when requested, as was done here.

     The primary contact, who can make the decision, is 
Mr. James Cardwell, Executive Vice-President/General Manager, Warner Bros. 
Home Video, North American Division, 3903 W. Olive, Building 154, 3rd 
Floor, Burbank, CA 

     I do not anticipate posting this elsewhere, to avoid the appearance of 
encouraging a deluge.  
The question has come up here repeatedly, and I answered finally.  If 
others choose to take this message from CIS and post it 
elsewhere, that's certainly their option.

     At this point, since WB has no plans to rerun the first season due to 
concerns that the presence of a different CO might confuse viewers, 
this is about the only way for folks who saw, or missed, the first season to 
catch up on all that went before.  (Obviously when the show is over completely,
 the episodes will go into syndication, but that is, presumably, 3 years 
down the road.)


Subj:  Videotapes from jms		Section: Babylon 5
  To:  Esther Schindler [EXEC], Saturday, October 28, 1995 12:13:20 AM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#385117

     I think giving out the fax number might tend to clog it, which they 
might kinda object to.


Subj:  Fan mail				Section: Babylon 5
  To:  Jane Killick, Thursday, October 26, 1995 2:18:00 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#383383

     Fan mail can be sent to all involved in making B5 at the following 
address: c/o Babylon 5, 14431 Ventura 
Boulevard, Suite 260, Sherman Oaks, CA 91423.  The c/o must be included.


Subj:  <spoiler: Comes the Inq>		Section: Babylon 5
  To:  Chad Underkoffler,	Thursday, October 26, 1995 2:18:02 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#383384

      The episode underlines that there are two fundamental questions in 
B5: who are you, and what do you want?  
The order in which you answer those two questions can either make you 
great...or destroy you.

      As for "There...plain truth!"  Someone elsewhere noted that this is 
how we work sometimes...we hand you our play book quite openly, 
we tell you we're coming right up the middle, try and stop us.


Subj:  <spoiler: Comes the Inq>		Section: Babylon 5
  To:  Joe Walters,		Friday, October 27, 1995 2:07:00 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#384517

      Yeah, that's about the right reaction to Sebastian.  As for the next 
week's scenes...well, at least the really major 
thing wasn't shown.


Subj:  <CtI -- Question>		Section: Babylon 5
  To:  Marlyn Bumpus, 	Thursday, October 26, 1995 8:07:14 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#383835

<I do have one question, however.  How did Lennier know where to find 
If Sheridan told Delenn that he'd found a place where she and Sebastian 
could conduct their business undisturbed, one would think that information 
wouldn't have been made available to anyone *but* Delenn, Sheridan himself, 
Sebastian, and maybe Garibaldi.  
So how did Lennier get there?>

     Well, given Delenn's position, I think she'd have let Lennier know 
where she was, or that he'd heard Sheridan tell Delenn in the scene we 
played the voice-over.

     Thanks, it was a good show.


Subj:  <CtI -- Question>		Section: Babylon 5
  To:  John M. Kahane, 	Saturday, October 28, 1995 9:47:04 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#386114

<      I am curious about how you view the relationship between Delenn and 
Lennier.  I still remember the wonderful scene from "The Parliament of Dreams" of the 
awestruck Minbari who arrived on B5 and couldn't even look at Satai 
Delenn's face.  
Lennier has changed so much in the series, moreso than Delenn I sometimes 
think.  Where do you see Lennier and Delenn having been, and where do you 
see the two of them going?

     I'll second (or third, or whatever...) the other thoughts on "Comes 
the Inquisitor."  
This is one of my favourite episodes of the second season, even though it 
didn't have action in the classic sense and even though the drama was 
almost melodramatic in its powerful feelings and all.  
Wayne Alexander was perfect as Sebastian, and he didn't play things as 
over-the-top as he might have done.  
His menacing tone during the scenes of his interrogation of Delenn was 
perfect.  Btw, I loved the frazzled look and feel that Mira's Delenn had 
for most of the scenes in Grey sector.  My commendations to Mira on her 
acting in this one.  Thanks for a terrific episode.>

     Yes, Mira's great in that episode.

     As for's an unusual relationship, which you'll learn a 
LOT more about in "Ceremonies of Light and 
Dark."  Which is all I can say for now.


Subj:  Archetypes			Section: Babylon 5
  To:  John M. Kahane, 	Thursday, October 26, 1995 8:07:15 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#383836

     That's the kind of thing I don't tend to dwell on overmuch, lest the 
storytelling become self-conscious.  The more 
you start to over-analyze the work as you're doing it, the less fresh and 
spontaneous it becomes.


Subj:  Major B5/ST News			Section: Star Trek
  To:  J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644Saturday, October 28, 1995 6:44:25 
From:  J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#385875


     As a note, there's probably no reason to repost this message again; I 
think it might be overkill, and while I felt it 
was right to come in here once to announce this, it *is* the ST section and 
shouldn't have to put up with multiple 
raids of the same message.

     As an aside, Majel is shooting this week on B5, and so far seems to be 
enjoying it immensely.  She's having great fun working with Peter Jurasik 
and Stephen Furst.


Subj:  Episodes Evaluation		Section: Babylon 5
  To:  Elizabeth Whitaker, 74541,613	Saturday, October 28, 1995 2:30:25 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#385578

<MI'm enjoying the show very much.  I caught the pilot, and tried watching 
the first season, but never figured out what 
was going on -- or developed any empathy for the characters.  
Then, I saw a mention of Bruce Boxleitner's coming on board in an issue of 
TV Guide and decided to make an effort to check on the show -- and got 
hooked. (I've been a fan 
of his for years.)

What *really* helped was And Now for A Word.  That did a *wonderful* job of 
introducing the major characters and 
outlining (what I later found to be most of) the major plot lines.  
That was the second show I saw: the first one that I saw was the one about 
the TechnoMages. (The TechnoMage reminded me of A Canticle for Leibowitz.)

I've been a science fiction fan since childhood. The very first science 
fiction story I read was Harlan Ellison's "Repent," Said the Ticktockman. 
I was a little young -- an uncle handed the magazine to me and said "You'll 
like this"-- but really started reading science fiction after getting a 
sub. to Analog for my tenth birthday.  
I've read a lot of hard science fiction, especially Pournelle, Niven, 
Drake, and Stirling, and am also a Clancy and Coonts fan.

Episodes of Babylon5 really are like reading a chapter of a science fiction 
novel every week.> 

     Thanks, and I'm glad you made it to the show.  Bruce is nothing but 
terrific to work with.  And I think you'll like 
where we're going over the next 6 weeks in particular....


Subj:  Episodes Evaluation		Section: Babylon 5
  To:  The Jawa / Jawa #2, 	Saturday, October 28, 1995 9:47:31 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#386111

	<I have a Talia question:
	I never saw the episode with Ironheart and Talia.
	But he gave her something.
	Talia is now Corps.
	Whatever he gave her, Psi Corps has.
	Is that, uh, a problem?
	And what'd he give her anyway??
	<in search of Excedrin...>
				The Jawa
				Kidism Patrol
				Reading "Robotech" AND PROUD OF IT!!>

      Logically, yes, that would eventually pose a problem.


Subj:  <Comes the Inquisitor>		Section: Babylon 5
  To:  Sharon Foster, 76360,301		Saturday, October 28, 1995 2:30:26 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#385579

<"Omigod. Omigod. Omigod. Omigod. Omigod. But you can't do that on 
television. Nobody's ever done that on 

 After I finished reciting the Babylon 5 litany, picked myself up off the 
floor, and wiped the tears from my face, I 
switched channels and watched it again, just to make sure.

 Then I rewound the tape and watched it again, just to make sure.

 I may have to audiotape it so I can listen to it in the car next week, 
just to make sure.

 The impact doesn't fade, it only amplifies.

 The incredibly satisfying shock of finally realizing who Sebastian was in 
his earthly life ...

 You have certainly shed new light (!) on the biblical stories of Job and 
of Jesus' temptation in the wilderness. It occurs to me for the first time that the 
Satan of the Christian church has been getting a bum rap all these centuries.

 You've really outdone yourself this time, Joe.  Besides the script -- the 
staging, the lighting, the direction, the 
players, the casting -- all were outstanding.  
This is not only one of the top WHAM! episodes of the season, it is one of 
the top WHAM! episodes of any season, of any series. 
"A universe of majesty and terror" indeed!  Rod Serling and Joseph 
DiStefano would be very very proud of you this week.>

     You know, you say the *nicest* things....


Subj:  <Comes the Inquisitor>		Section: Babylon 5
  To:  David Fox,		Saturday, October 28, 1995 6:58:22 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#385910

     The pain is necessary because it's easy to consider laying down one's 
life intellectually; when the pain and the 
agony bring it home, it's no longer as easy.

     And there *is* no correct answer to "Who are you?"  The only real 
answer is no answer, because as soon as you apply someone's term for it, 
you have limited yourself, defined yourself in someone else's terms.

     Doing things in a refined, gentle, intellectual manner is the sort of 
thing Delenn's used to, she can handle that easily...the goal of Sebastian 
was to try and *break* her.  
That's not intended to be done gently.  You don't break someone over a cup 
of tea discussing philosophical concepts and the nature of personal 
It's also not terribly dramatic to watch.

     Because of her position, rank and authority, she expected to be 
treated a certain way...which was why it was important to treat her just 
the opposite.  
It's easy to put oneself into a grand prophecy, to assume one has a pay the price for that is something else again.  
Anyone can do the former; very few can ever do the latter.


Subj:  <CTI> Did Sinclair pass?		Section: Babylon 5
  To:  David E. Francis, 72047,2070	Saturday, October 28, 1995 9:47:00 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#386112

    <JMS, I have just seen the "Comes the Inquisitor" episode for the first 
time.  Great!  I do have a question.  Delenn and Sheridan pass their tests 
of being the right people in the right places for the coming darkness by 
the Vorlon.  
Did Sinclair have to undergo a similar interrogation?

    I ask because in the Babylon 4 episode, we learn that Sinclair is the 
"One"; the leader of the armies of light.  
Or am I making a wrong assumption that the Vorlon will side with the army 
of light?

    I have been watching Babylon 5 nearly since its beginning. You, your 
staff, the crew, and cast have done an excellent job of telling a story.  
You combine the noble and philosophocial ideals of the human race with the 
realities of own worse, dark sides. 
You tell it in a way that is both entertaining and thought-provoking.  I 
look forward to seasons 3, 4, and 5.>

     Bear in mind, though, that we don't yet know, when someone says The 
One, the answer to, "The One *what*?"  
When this gets answered later this season, you may have your answer there.

     And thanks.


Subj:  <TLTS & Stuff>			Section: Babylon 5
  To:  Richard M. Perry, 76461,2737	Saturday, October 28, 1995 9:47:02 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#386113

<<<    Is there a connection?  Who knows.... >>

	Uhmmm, you do? At least I hope you do, because if you don't I would be 
very disappointed in you. I know the answer is forthcoming in one of the 
season three episodes, maybe. 
If it's vague ambiguity more than likely it comes from you, "Who knows" 
indeed. Does Sinclair or Delenn know? I bet Kosh knows. 
How about Bo, does Bo Jackson know? <G>>

     Hey, I gotta have *some* fun here, right?  Can't make it too easy.  If 
I just answered all the questions, wouldn't be 
much point in making the show, now would there?


Subj:  <Inquisitor--Mira, etc>		Section: Babylon 5
  To:  Mara K. Malovany, 	Saturday, October 28, 1995 9:47:08 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#386115

     I think that, in the long run, the vorlons and the shadows will answer 
the questions Who are you and What do you that that's kind of 
what they *are*, if that makes any sense.

     Well, it will.  Eventually.

     Funny thing is, how much as you note the show corresponds to some of 
the things Mira's been through...some of it intentional, knowing that if I 
dig into this area, it'll come out of her with the ring of truth...some of 
it quite unintentional.  
When I finished writing "Severed Dreams," and the actors got it, Mira's 
first words to me were, " long DID you live in Yugoslavia?"  The 
parallel wasn't intentional...but it fit.


Subj:  Milwaukee Affiliate		Section: Babylon 5
  To:  Bob Perse, 		Saturday, October 28, 1995 9:47:09 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski, 71016,1644#386116

     Yes, most stations now are only showing the episodes once per week not 
twice.  So if you want to get it, it has to happen the first time at bat.

     "I am seething here."

     So when you called the station, did that make it a seething ring?


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