I ask why...

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Subject: I ask why...
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+  1: Aug 28, 1996: at850 at FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Thomas McCambley)
+  2: Aug 29, 1996: Theron Fuller <tfuller at moon.jic.com>
*  3: Aug 29, 1996: jmsatb5 at aol.com (Jms at B5)

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From: at850 at FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Thomas McCambley)
Lines: 25

I was just looking at the old group, and was following the thread about
asking about Mira's prosthetic piece.  Yes the old 'how does she get the
hair under that thing' question that his been answered civilly many many
times before.  (For the record JMS has said that it is similar to a set of
fused antlers, I believe)  Now what should I notice at the end two who
should remain ashamed at themselves (I think we know of who we speak of)
chime in that it is a 'cheesy effect'.  Once again a cheap shot at the
expense of you know who.

Is there some justification for this?  Or is it just old fashioned
degassing of their collective semi-consciousness.

Tom McCambley
Some sticks up for the Minbari guy...

 
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From: Theron Fuller <tfuller at moon.jic.com>
Lines: 28

Thomas McCambley wrote:
> 
> I was just looking at the old group, and was following the thread about
> asking about Mira's prosthetic piece.  Yes the old 'how does she get the
> hair under that thing' question that his been answered civilly many many
> times before.  (For the record JMS has said that it is similar to a set of
> fused antlers, I believe)  Now what should I notice at the end two who
> should remain ashamed at themselves (I think we know of who we speak of)
> chime in that it is a 'cheesy effect'.  Once again a cheap shot at the
> expense of you know who.
> 
> Is there some justification for this?  Or is it just old fashioned
> degassing of their collective semi-consciousness.
> The justification for this is that Joe Straczysnki Himself once explained 
that Delenn's "bone arrangement" was done for the convenience of the makeup 
artist and the actor.  Joe Straczynski's explanation of Delenn's "antlers" is 
a post-hoc one.  It derives from the way the makeup was done, rather than the 
other way around.

Like the non-rotaing star field in the C&C shots, it's an example of where 
the low budget of the series pokes through in a particularly jarring manner. 

In other words, it's cheesy makeup.

Regards,
Theron Fuller



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From: jmsatb5 at aol.com (Jms at B5)
Lines: 75

"In other words, it's cheesy makeup."

Once again, the remarkably inept Theron Fuller demonstrates that he
doesn't have a clue about what he's talking about.  But he does that so
often now, that one hardly even notices anymore.

"Cheesy" has specific connotations.  Words mean what they mean.  It refers
to how it's used, how much is paid for it, how slipshod it is, and how
cheap it is.

Mira's makeup is overall the most complex of all the characters.  It is
also the most expensive after G'Kar.  It also takes longer than just about
anyone else on the show.  Bill is out in about 90 minutes, sometimes less.
 Andreas can get out in just under 2 hours.  With Mira's makeup, it's
extremely subtle, very thin to get out the emotions that come through the
movements of the skin, and takes as much as 2 and a half hours to apply
properly.  The bone piece is especially difficult and expensive, as it has
to contain elements that work into the hair, which also has hair
delicately woven into the edges, and has to fasten at the temples without
any noticeable movement.  

"The justification for this is that Joe Straczysnki Himself once explained
that Delenn's "bone arrangement" was done for the convenience of the
makeup artist and the actor."

No, I never said that.  You're making this up, as you make up half the
information you post and state as fact.  Your grasp of reality, always
tenuous, seems to be getting worse after you targeted some poor innocent
person as being the alleged Il Porco, possibly doing his business damage
and attacking his character in a public forum based on *zero* proof, and
being, in fact, totally wrong.  But you never let the facts get in the way
of your statements, as here...I never made the statement you attribute to
me.  Never happened.  You are, as always, lying.  

If it were done for convenience, we'd've stayed with the overall bald cap
Delenn had in the first season, which took *less* time than what she has
now, and was overall less expensive.  The change itself was done for story
reasons, as she became more human.  We needed to see the hair.  There were
two ways of doing this, one to have the hair come down through the bone,
the other to attach hair to the back of the piece and use a wig, which
seemed silly.  (Though, again, some hair is woven into the bone piece to
smooth the lines.)

"Like the non-rotaing star field in the C&C shots, it's an example of
where the low budget of the series pokes through in a particularly jarring
manner."

No, it's not that we're or it's low budget.  The problem is a mathematical
one.  C&C rotates *below* the center of the station, the core of the
rotation.  So the rotation wouldn't be at the center of the window, but
rather above it, so you'd have a movement from side to side that's far
more pronounced.  To pull off this in a practical effect, you'd have to
build a *round* starfield about 30 feet high, which is bigger than just
about any TV soundstage around, and would have to rotate without making
noise at that size (almost impossible).  To do blue-screen compositing of
starfields for the length of scenes we play in C&C is outside the limts of
ANY TV series, including ST, which invariably uses a star curtain for
window scenes of the same size as the B5 C&C, or sparingly uses bluescreen
for smaller windows seen less frequently.

You continue in your practice of lying, misquoting, and making up stuff to
cause friction or slam the show or myself.  You attack people who don't
even know who you are and smear their names on the net for being someone
they're not and never even heard of.  You're a sick, pathetic, twisted,
vicious individual, Theron.  Sop why not take your bile and your lies and
your delusional bullshit somewhere else.





 jms



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