JMS CIS Digest: 09-Feb-96 23:14:49 through 10-Feb-96 23:00:10 (26 msgs)

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        VOA: Lurkers
        <Dust To Dust>
        <VoA> Space A&B
        B5 cover story
        VoA: Pretty Bad
        <Dust to Dust>
        B5 Sound
        About the First Ones

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Date: 09-Feb-96 23:14:49
From: Mara K. Malovany <102750.1414 at>
To: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at>
Subject: #447084-#VOA: Lurkers
Message-ID: <forum.sfmediaone.448707 at>
References: <forum.sfmediaone.447084 at>

> Her feeling was likely that it has always worked with her in
> the past. He's widowed, probably hasn't had any in a long time,
> he's vulnerable, a perfect target.

        Rhetorical question following, no need to answer, Joe.
        I wonder, does her arrogance stem solely from her own
personality, or from her position in Night Watch?  I mean, we know
that Night Watch has a lot of power and influence right now, and
it would follow that people are getting a bit frightened by it. 
Is she so used to everyone kissing up to her that it didn't even
occur to her that Sheridan might refuse.  After all, she got him 
to cancel his mysterious appointment and to allowing her on the
        So just how scared of Night Watch is the average Earther?
Or do most people believe that Night Watch is there to protect
them from treason and invasion, nevermind if a few rights get
temporarily trampled?



Date: 10-Feb-96 18:32:01
From: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at>
To: Mara K. Malovany <102750.1414 at>
Subject: VOA: Lurkers
Message-ID: <forum.sfmediaone.449128 at>
References: <forum.sfmediaone.448707 at>

     Some are scared of Nightwatch, others feel it's a good thing, and
darn it, it's about time....



Date: 10-Feb-96 08:51:21
From: Deonaha M. Conlin <102531.2627 at>
To: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at>
Subject: #448024-#<Dust To Dust>
Message-ID: <forum.sfmediaone.448879 at>
References: <forum.sfmediaone.448024 at>

        Thanks again.

        See my post to Mr. Challeron -- DTD was incredible.  I
was nowhere near prepared for something as intense as that was. 

        And again, Walter Koenig as a real nasty --- that is
jarring enough, then you drop him into a script like this, with
that little twist at the end......Very satisfying SF.


Di Conlin
Minister of Paranoid Development &
Personality Reconstruction, RMES


Date: 10-Feb-96 18:32:03
From: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at>
To: Deonaha M. Conlin <102531.2627 at>
Subject: <Dust To Dust>
Message-ID: <forum.sfmediaone.449129 at>
References: <forum.sfmediaone.448879 at>

     Thanks.  The pleasure is all mine....



Date: 10-Feb-96 11:18:10
From: Rick Sharon <76416.2213 at>
To: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at>
Subject: #448712-#<VoA> Space A&B
Message-ID: <forum.sfmediaone.448939 at>
References: <forum.sfmediaone.448712 at>


re: Patience, people.  I've been faithful, and honest, and
straight with all of you.  I haven't let you down yet.  And I
don't intend to.

You have been straight with us, you haven't let us down, I don't
expect you to.  I do trust that you know what you are doing and I,
for one, am thoroughly enjoying the roller coaster ride.  I am
patient with you, please continue to be patient with all of us. 
(well, ok, it's real hard to be patient waiting for each next
week's episode and even more so during rerun season).  Am I the 
> not so silent majority?  I suspect so.

re: kicking into high gear...MAJOR stuff happens.

Ohmygod, brace ourselves.  Like major stuff hasn't happened yet??
Yeah I know, first and foremost my experience with B5:

  - Yeah, episode X was awsome, the most intense every done,
nothing could
    ever beat it, TV's never seen anything even close to that,
but ... "we
    ain't seen nuthin yet"  ... brace ourselves, the best is yet
to come!

I've told you this before, I need to say it again: Thank you for
continually "raising the bar".  I hope you and we survive the
ride.  I know we will ... er, I think we will ... um, I hope we
will ... ah what the heck it'll be worth it.  Weeeeeeeeeee!

After the end of season 5 I strongly recommend you/we have a
nationwide blow-out "it's over" party.  Not to celebrate B5's
death but to celebrate what we shared - more of a "whew" we
survived the ride.  By then, you and we will likely be drained &
need to celebrate the wonderous journey you've taken us on. 
Perhaps a fan convention / party.

I continuously marvel at the intricacy of this masterpiece you
are crafting. I'm thankful for the technology of VCR and the
ability to rewatch older episodes to find the subtle hints of
things to come, to revel in their newfound significance, and to
fuel the wonder of "what are we missing now?". My kudos to
everyone on the B5 team - you, the directors, the actors, the 
special effects people, and everyone else that helps create the
B5 masterpiece.  The subtlety of writing, of the directing, of the
acting, the attention to detail.  Especially the attention to
detail.  So many subtle things we so easily miss, which are
significant, which are not?  Is ANYthing insignificant?  No way to
tell other than re-watching previous episodes.  I can't find the
right words ... wow.  Thanks.

re: dumbing down of B5?

I don't see it.  Like initial impressions of Vir, Londo, Marcus,
time and time again you teach us we can't trust our initial
impressions (can't even trust 2nd, 3rd, 4th, ... impressions). 
I'm enjoying the speculation that fuels. Frustrating?  Yes, but
that's part of the appeal, the wonderment.  Do I wish I knew what
was coming?  What the final end would be?  Where you are taking
us? I tell myself yes, but honestly, NO.  "we're not ready".  That
would spoil the suprise, the anticipation, the speculation, that
makes B5 so different than anything else on TV.  I enjoy
unwrapping each weekly present from you.  The fact that we don't
fully know what's coming but do know "somethings" are coming makes
B5 so special (and so frustrating but it's a good frustration - 
the anticipation).  It's the journey that's so much fun.  And,
again, oh what a ride!!!

re: Give it a chance

I do every week and you have not let me down yet.  I also
enthusiastically talk about it with others, hopefully they too
will give it a chance.   Sorry to babble on for so long (no pun
intended).  I wanted you to have a different perspective.

-- Rick Sharon


Date: 10-Feb-96 18:32:04
From: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at>
To: Rick Sharon <76416.2213 at>
Subject: <VoA> Space A&B
Message-ID: <forum.sfmediaone.449130 at>
References: <forum.sfmediaone.448939 at>

     Thanks.  I really think this season is just overall such a leap
over the previous season, especially once episodes 8-10 hit.  As it
happens, I showed a bit from 8 to some folks in the office the other
day, one in particular being a fan of the show who sat in on an say their jaws were on the floor doesn't *begin* to
describe it.



Date: 10-Feb-96 13:16:22
From: Robt Martin <75663.2701 at>
To: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at>
Subject: #448539-#B5 cover story
Message-ID: <forum.sfmediaone.448975 at>
References: <forum.sfmediaone.448539 at>

Thanks, Joe. But I felt ridiculous writing, "Dear Joe, I've got a
picture here of Sheridan standing behind a bearded Monk, both are
leaning over a battered-lookin' guy, and I have no idea what
episode it's from. My deadlines are Monday morning, can you please
take time from your weekend to help?"

Yeah, I know it's PTEN, I was just seeing too much red to realize
it. Now I see even more red.

This sort of interference from the publishers isn't new, and it's
why I do not put my name on the masthead as editor. "Robert
Martin" only appears as managing editor. Unfortunately, this gives
the impression that I have a staff (hah!).


Date: 10-Feb-96 18:32:08
From: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at>
To: Robt Martin <75663.2701 at>
Subject: B5 cover story
Message-ID: <forum.sfmediaone.449131 at>
References: <forum.sfmediaone.448975 at>

     If it'd help make the article better or more accurate, I'm always
available, 7 days a week.  I have no life upon which this could



Date: 10-Feb-96 14:26:41
From: John A. Lewis <76740.1520 at>
To: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at>
Subject: #446531-#VoA: Pretty Bad
Message-ID: <forum.sfmediaone.449015 at>
References: <forum.sfmediaone.446531 at>

Could you please help me understand one aspect of VoA that I
found a bit confusing?

The Political Officer seems to be something of a split
personality; in some scenes she comes across as a bit ditzy--in
others (on the NightWatch lectern, for example) she acts hard as
nails and exactly the opposite of her portrayal in prior scenes.
Very cool, calm, and in total control of the situation.

Is one or the other behaviour simply an *act* that this character
assumes in relation to who she is dealing with?


Date: 10-Feb-96 18:32:10
From: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at>
To: John A. Lewis <76740.1520 at>
Subject: VoA: Pretty Bad
Message-ID: <forum.sfmediaone.449132 at>
References: <forum.sfmediaone.449015 at>

     Basically, like many manipulative people, she projects whatever
she thinks will work best with her audience.  Appealing to Zack's
patriotism, trying to find Sheridan's affections by flattering him
mercilessly (on many levels), playing the straight-chinned leader in an
address to security forces...she puts on whatever face she thinks will



Date: 10-Feb-96 17:44:00
From: Tom Knudsen <72347.1626 at>
To: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at>
Subject: #448530-#<Dust to Dust>
Message-ID: <forum.sfmediaone.449081 at>
References: <forum.sfmediaone.448530 at>


        <What's the alternative?  Using animal rights activists? 
School counsellors turned amateur psychologists that ruined a
child's life?  <g>>

        After finally getting to see this one in it's entirety, I
have a question.  Did Londo get to see everything G'Kar did (ie.
did he see the stuff with G'Lan)?   I guess what I'm getting at is
whether or not Londo will be changed by this event as much as
        Great job by all concerned on this one.  Bester is just
plain creepy. One minute you start to think he might not be all
that bad, the next he's the physical incarnation of evil.   I have
some ideas about where his character is going, but I'm betting
you'll surprise me in the end with him.
        I just had another thought.  We've only really seen Kosh
exert his telepathic powers twice now (OK three times including
his self-projection in Fall of Night).  In both those cases, he's
only been able to contact people who were dreaming in one way or
another.  Are the Vorlon telepaths primarily "Dreamwalkers"?  Is
that how they influence the other races?


    Guardian of The Republic
    General Pain in the Butt


Date: 10-Feb-96 18:32:12
From: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at>
To: Tom Knudsen <72347.1626 at>
Subject: <Dust to Dust>
Message-ID: <forum.sfmediaone.449133 at>
References: <forum.sfmediaone.449081 at>

       Yes, it helps if the person's mind is in a different state --
asleep, exhausted, in a heightened state of awareness -- for the
Vorlons to make contact, which is why their presence is often
associated with dream imagery.



Date: 10-Feb-96 18:03:52
From: John McAuley <100260.412 at>
To: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at>
Subject: #448711-#<Dust to Dust>
Message-ID: <forum.sfmediaone.449117 at>
References: <forum.sfmediaone.448711 at>


Apparently there have been many major battles between the first
ones and the Shadows.

Have the Shadows always lost?



Date: 10-Feb-96 18:32:17
From: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at>
To: John McAuley <100260.412 at>
Subject: <Dust to Dust>
Message-ID: <forum.sfmediaone.449135 at>
References: <forum.sfmediaone.449117 at>

       "Have the shadows always lost?"

       That is a far more complex question than you could possibly



Date: 10-Feb-96 19:14:54
From: Michael Zitaglio <102545.641 at>
To: J. Straczynski <71016.1644 at>
Subject: #B5 Sound
Message-ID: <forum.sfmediaone.449178 at>


        I have been noticing, more this season than any other,
problems with the sound levels on the show.  I dont know if this
is just a network broadcast issue or a recording issue in the
studio.  I have noticed that the sound levels are somewhat low and
it is sometimes difficult to hear exactly whats going on.  Its not
like the volume is fading in and out.  These low levels are 
noticable, for example,  when the cast is seated in a meeting and
just normally talking to one  another.  I strain sometimes to hear
it.  This kind of leads me to believe that it is a recording
issue. It also leads me to believe that I maybe talking out the
wrong end.

 In addition, Mira Furlan is getting more difficult to
understand.  This issue has been raised before, however, Im not
having a problem with her accent, which is quite charming.   Since
the tension is rising on B5 and her character is under more and
more stress, her speech ( when under stress) is very strained. It
almost sounds like shes running out of breath and choking while 
she speaks.  One example is in Matters of Honor  when she and
Sheridan are aboard the White Star and Delenn is trying to explain
how futile it is to fight the Shadows.

I dunno.  This issue has been concerning me for a while. I wanted
to wait to see if it re-occured again before I bugged you about
it.  I dont know if anyone else have voiced similar concerns.

.......or maybe I should just unplug my vacuum cleaner during
the next few episodes.




Date: 10-Feb-96 22:59:54
From: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at>
To: Michael Zitaglio <102545.641 at>
Subject: B5 Sound
Message-ID: <forum.sfmediaone.449351 at>
References: <forum.sfmediaone.449178 at>

     The sources of the problem are two-fold, and we keep trying to
get it straightened out.  When we deliver the episodes to WB, the sound
level is where it should be.  Then we watch the show and the levels are
a lot lower, and there's some phasing going on.  As near as we can
determine, at some point after we've turned over the episode, when
multiple levels of dubs are being made (for closed captioning, another
for national spots to be inserted, and so on), the audio goes from
digital to analog and back again. In addition, some stations tend to
clamp our audio, but run the commercials hot.  We're working to find
out where this is happening and stop it.



Date: 10-Feb-96 19:42:37
From: Brian A. Thomas <75231.1122 at>
To: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at>
Subject: #Shadows
Message-ID: <forum.sfmediaone.449202 at>

Correct me if I am wrong, but you have said that the Shadow war
will end this season. Right?
 Okay, keeping that in mind I move to the real question.  We know
the Shaows are involved with Psi Corps.  We also know that they
are involved with the EA since the one lady was talking to Mordan
about the fact nobody recognised the Shadow Ship, to which the Psi
Corps guy wanted to use the situation to thier advantage... 
Anyhow, it would also seem the Shadows may be involved with 
Presedent least Mordan is.  So I have to wonder, when
the Shadow War ends, will the Shadows still be involved with those

 See ya,

-Brian A. Thomas ^^^^ A BLACK


Date: 10-Feb-96 22:59:55
From: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at>
To: Brian A. Thomas <75231.1122 at>
Subject: Shadows
Message-ID: <forum.sfmediaone.449353 at>
References: <forum.sfmediaone.449202 at>

     Never said that the shadow war ends this season.  I simply said
it wouldn't run all the rest of the series.  And even when a war is
over, the afteraffects can be felt for some time.  And there may be
related problems still to clean up.



Date: 10-Feb-96 19:58:59
From: Damian Reaves <75373.2325 at>
To: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at>
Subject: #About the First Ones
Message-ID: <forum.sfmediaone.449211 at>

 To JMS and anyone else that can answer these questions.

1. Were the Ikkarans first ones ? and if so.
    a)did they build the battle suits to fight off  the shadows ?
    b) will we ever see Ikkaran technology again ?

2. The Shadows have been out of commission for a 1000 years so is
it safe to
     assume that the Vorlons, the Walkers at Sigma957, and any
other first ones
     still out there have caught up with them technologically?

3.  Were the Takarans first ones, and if not where did the great
machine come from?

Thanks for any info you can give me.



Date: 10-Feb-96 22:59:58
From: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at>
To: Damian Reaves <75373.2325 at>
Subject: About the First Ones
Message-ID: <forum.sfmediaone.449354 at>
References: <forum.sfmediaone.449211 at>

     Neither the Ikarrans nor those on Epsilon 3 were First Ones.  And
the level of tech between Vorlons, Shadows and Walkers is fairly close.



Date: 10-Feb-96 20:16:57
From: Rae Augenstein <72752.1653 at>
To: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at>
Subject: #448060-#>>Dust<<
Message-ID: <forum.sfmediaone.449229 at>
References: <forum.sfmediaone.448060 at>

Yes, Joe, great ep! I totally wasn't expecting *anything* like
what actually happened. "Pretty box" indeed!

 A question for you: Has anyone else ever written *all* the
scripts for a show in one season? I would think that would be

 If so, do you hear any feedback or comments from anyone else in
Hollywood such as, "That Joe Straczynski -- he's crazy torturing
himself with all that writing!" or, "We bow to the greatness of a
man so great and talented as JMS," or, "Surely this man deserves
an Emmy for sheer perseverance and determination if nothing else,"
or (this from the studio), "We love Joe Straczynski. He saves us
from having to pay 15 different staff writers."

    Rae ^^^^
    Clark Kent & Lois Lane get *married* this Sunday night!!!


Date: 10-Feb-96 23:00:02
From: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at>
To: Rae Augenstein <72752.1653 at>
Subject: >>Dust<<
Message-ID: <forum.sfmediaone.449355 at>
References: <forum.sfmediaone.449229 at>

     No, insofar as I have been able to determine, in the history of
TV no one has ever written every episode of a season of a dramatic
series single handedly.  The closest would be Terry Nation, who wrote
the first season of Blake's 7, but that was only 13 episodes, not 22.

     As for what folks say about me...probably it's all of those you
cite, and then some.  Good and bad.  You can't work at getting a
single, personal vision on film without convincing some people you're
great, and convincing other people you're the Antichrist.



Date: 10-Feb-96 22:13:54
From: Karen E. Bahnsen <102735.3557 at>
To: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at>
Subject: #448712-#<VoA> Space A&B
Message-ID: <forum.sfmediaone.449343 at>
References: <forum.sfmediaone.448712 at>

Re: season 3 complaints.

       My family and I think that B5 just gets better.  We are
*thrilled* with season 3 so far!  The last two episodes have been
*really* exciting!  All through "Dust to Dust" we just kept saying
"Wow!   Wow!   Did you see that?!" It surely doesn't seem *slow*
to us!

       And *now* you tell us to have *patience* because "Starting
with #8, "Messages From Earth," the arc and the story kicks into
high gear, moving faster than ever before.  MAJOR stuff happens." 
All I can say is, it's a real good thing I don't have heart
trouble.  The only *patience* I need is waiting for the next

       I'm also in a B5 email discussion group.  (yes, yet
another group of strangers from all over whose only reason for
being a group is to discuss this show)  We, about 22 of us, all
love what you're doing.   We are astonished by your imagination
and the skill with which you are telling this tale.   We count the
days till the next new one.  No kidding.  During reruns we were 
panting for new eps.  And the two new ones
we've seen have surpassed all expectations!  What great ones to
come back to.

       OK, so I made some wise cracks about Marcus. <BG>  That
had nothing to do with his character.  (I trust you, I trust you) 
But, eishh, the way some of the gals around here were drooling
over his looks, I couldn't help waxing sarcastic.  It must be
tough being an actor.   All the pot shots we wise-acres take. 
Seriously, the characters you create are one of the primary
reasons I love this show.  I have no doubt I'll like this one, the
same as all the others.

       I've honestly never seen anything in televison, in any
catagory, that equals B5.  I think I'm like most people, though. 
I feel funny *gushing* on and on about how much I like it... what
a great job you're doing...fawning...begging for attention.  So I
keep most of my raves to myself.  Then, along comes some outspoken
idiot, who doesn't mind attracting a lot of attention, spewing
unjust criticism.  I guess that's what it takes to get me to speak
up.  I love what you're doing and how you're doing it.  I'll have
to make a point of saying so more often.

BTW, in DtD, where the camera looks up from G'Kar to see Kosh in
his encounter suit, does that big sign on the wall behind where
Kosh was standing say, "WARNING!"?  <G>

(Only five more days 'til I see Exogenesis)


Date: 10-Feb-96 23:00:06
From: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at>
To: Karen E. Bahnsen <102735.3557 at>
Subject: <VoA> Space A&B
Message-ID: <forum.sfmediaone.449356 at>
References: <forum.sfmediaone.449343 at>

       Yes, the sign does indeed say warning.  Look for another sign
right behind somebody at the end of "Severed Dreams."

       In defense of Phil...who I have spoken with before, and met
once, and who asked his question in good faith and I kinda handed him
his head...don't take my reaction necessarily as venue to jump on him. 
Some days, when I've been working 18 hours straight on the show, I come
across a comment that puts me into Wet Cat mode.  That was one.  Which
is why I made a point of trying to say that I understand the
question(s), and whence they proceed.

       There are a very few flakes and idiots and dangerous loonies
out there in net-land...but Phil isn't one of them.  It's the
consistent idiots you have to watch out for.

       Re: the discussion group...this is one of the things that I've
decided I'm very proud of, regarding B5.  Delenn pointed out that
humans form communities; it's what we do.  And a B5 community has
arisen.  Fans of the show gather in pizza parlors to watch the show,
set out open invitations for picnics and house parties to catch shows
off the satellite, create discussion groups...form communities.  People
have formed lasting friendships, regular pub groups, even gotten
married because of the show.

       Others have gotten involved in social work, contributed or
worked for charities, food kitchens, other causes.  Decided that their
fates are in their own hands, and been inspired to move across the
country to form new lives and pursue what they *want* to do instead of
what they felt they *had* to do.  I hear from them frequently in email,
and in public messages.

       I'm very happy about that.  If Star Trek's shining element was
that it got people involved in the space program, perhaps B5's shining
element is that it gets people involved in the human program.



Date: 10-Feb-96 22:22:56
From: Al Lipscomb <75204.2225 at>
To: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at>
Subject: #447089-#<DTD>
Message-ID: <forum.sfmediaone.449344 at>
References: <forum.sfmediaone.447089 at>

If that was a Ranger Medallion I saw swinging from the neck of a
faceless passer by when Bester was giving his speach on how the
PSI Corps are out there protecting the human race behind the
scenes, then you deserve an award for the all time greatest subtle

I also liked the personalization of the Star Fury. You must like
WWII history quite a bit. I guess it was the last time we fought a
war in which the bad guys kind of stood out. Very few shades of

Loved the acting. I hope some credit goes to you for the casting
:) I love the attention to detail that I see in the CGI work. (I
hope you forward some of these compliments to the guys doing the
work for you!)

Your plot line is working well. The arc is doing well. I do hope,
and I think you have indicated, that the arc moves well past the
great Shadow war. I would hope that you will do some more work in
this universe as you have established a good "known space" to work
with. Character development is good, Vir is becoming a key player.
I do hope Kosh turns out to be what I think he is going to be (a
good guy, but define good?)


Date: 10-Feb-96 23:00:10
From: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at>
To: Al Lipscomb <75204.2225 at>
Subject: <DTD>
Message-ID: <forum.sfmediaone.449357 at>
References: <forum.sfmediaone.449344 at>

     Thanks.  Yes, I think we've cast some great actors in the show,
and they only continue to improve.

     Many of us on the show are fans of fighter planes and military
history, especially producer John Copeland.  So we've taken to giving
the Starfuries nose fact, the near-legendary WW II flying
squadron the Flying Tigers actually gave us *permission* to use their
logos on Sheridan's fighter.



End of JMS CIS Digest 09-Feb-96 23:14:49 through 10-Feb-96 23:00:10

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