JMS on CompuServe (Mar 18, 1997) *POSSIBLE SPOILERS*

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 [ Summary of subjects in this section: ]
    Sb: #657089-Carpal Tunnel Syndrome
    Sb: #657286-Captain Power <uh oh>
    Sb: #656814-TNT Air Order
    Sb: #656817-TNT Air Order
    Sb: #656982-New Set of B5 Cards
    Sb: #656813-#to sfwa from jms
    Sb: #656892-#Status Check
    Sb: #657554-Cherry Red
    Sb: #656911-"A door"
    Sb: #657617-to sfwa from jms


 [ Summary: Asks if JMS has tried the Dvorak keyboard layout to help with
   his CTS. ]

 #: 657565 S5/Babylon 5: General
    17-Mar-97  20:57:33
Sb: #657089-Carpal Tunnel Syndrome
Fm: J. MICHAEL STRACZYNSKI

      I'll probably try it eventually, but for obvious reasons can't handle any
kind of learning curve right now....

                                                                    jms


 [ Summary: Asks if the episode in which the female character dies in an
   act of self-sacrifice was the last episode of "Captain Power." ]

 #: 657566 S5/Babylon 5: General
    17-Mar-97  20:57:35
Sb: #657286-Captain Power <uh oh>
Fm: J. MICHAEL STRACZYNSKI

      Yup, that was the last ep, "A Summoning of Thunder," part two.

                                                                    jms


 [ Summary: Asks if the pilot on TNT will be the director's cut. ]

 #: 657567 S5/Babylon 5: General
    17-Mar-97  20:57:37
Sb: #656814-TNT Air Order
Fm: J. MICHAEL STRACZYNSKI

      That's what we're trying to work out.

                                                                    jms


 [ Summary: Follow-up: If the director's cut isn't shown, will it ever 
   be made available on tape or disc? ]

 #: 657568 S5/Babylon 5: General
    17-Mar-97  20:57:40
Sb: #656817-TNT Air Order
Fm: J. MICHAEL STRACZYNSKI

      For all intents and purposes, the pilot *is* the director's cut...what we
want to do is make a producer's cut of more material and better editing.

                                                                    jms


 [ Summary: About Delenn changing from male to female and then having a
   romance with Sheridan/Sinclair, this poster asks: "Do you think you 
   could have pulled it off?" ]

 #: 657569 S5/Babylon 5: General
    17-Mar-97  20:57:41
Sb: #656982-New Set of B5 Cards
Fm: J. MICHAEL STRACZYNSKI

      I could've pulled it off.  Ve haff vays....

                                                                    jms


 [ Summary: "Joe, all I'm saying here is that individual members of 
   SFWA can only speak for themselves, not for the organization."  He then
   elaborates with examples. ]

 #: 657570 S5/Babylon 5: General
    17-Mar-97  20:57:43
Sb: #656813-#to sfwa from jms
Fm: J. MICHAEL STRACZYNSKI

      But, see, Mike, there's the contradiction...when you talk about SFWA
being tolerant and inviting, you're generalizing from the individuals to the
group.  But when I do the same, you say, "No, no, those are just the
individuals."  When enough individuals say something, it becomes a group
opinion, and hence an organizational opinion.

      Basically, you're saying that if the action is *positive*, it's SFWA the
organization speaking...if the action is *negative*, it's just the members
talking, thus giving the group deniability.

      You can't have it both ways, Mike.

                                                                    jms


 [ Summary: Asks if JMS and Harlan Ellison are still attending I-CON. ]

 #: 657571 S5/Babylon 5: General
    17-Mar-97  20:57:46
Sb: #656892-#Status Check
Fm: J. MICHAEL STRACZYNSKI

      I'm trying to still be there, but I'm working out some problems with the
convention, when has stuck me on 4.5 to 6.5 hours of panels, presentations and
the like per day, with little or NO breaks in between to eat or rest, and
insisting that I *have* to do all of it, and that's just plain hideous.  If we
can come to a reasonable understanding on this, then yeash, I'll be there...if
not....

                                                                    jms



 #: 657554 S5/Babylon 5: General
    17-Mar-97  19:36:37
Sb: #Cherry Red
Fm: RICHARD M. PERRY

        You know, the whole reason I really wanted to go to Megacon (was that
the first time you actually had more space than the fans could fill?) was that
both you and PAD were going to be in the same place at the same time, the whole
time making fun with eachother. I'm glad I stayed for both days, the payoff was
wonderful. (did he ever notice that drawing in front of his seat, the one you
so kindly offered to him)
        What was really hilarious was what happened when Peter mentioned that
he finally found himself a 10 in. Xena doll... let me put it this way, I used
to think cherries and fire engines were red until I saw how red your face got
after that one liner. <G> Red is an understatement to the color of your face.
        I enjoyed the presentations on Saturday (both yours and Peter's. Did
you get to hear any of Peter's presentation?) , despite the audio and video
problems. (I liked Tampa a little better, but they were in a new facility
so...) Having audience participation in your revenge skit made that a very
memorable presentation. I want to see that get shot, it would explain why Londo
calls G'Kar "old friend" when they kill eachother. I'm just interested the
symmetry this would allow for <g>... honest... <g> no sreiously. Would you stop
that, you're making me laugh.<g> I do have a question regarding that, I thought
that Narns were supposed to be marsupials, did this change? Oh, almost forgot I
have another question, isn't G'Kar already modified to allow for that kind of
thing, I could've sworn you once said he was?
        The "Schindler's List" story was great. I can picture Harlan doing just
what you described. LAPD indeed, I think they have enough problems without your
help. <g> So, did you ever go see it again so that you might "enjoy" it.
        So, uh, what's this... you mentioned something about a commu... when
you were 18 !?!?!?  Is that before or after you wrote that thing you didn't
write? I was gonna say something at the con, but... well, something told me not
to. (mainly the fact that I was in the third row and there were objects to be
thrown, Zathras not that stupid)
        Too bad the bear thing is over with, it was just starting to get really
good.

May the Light shine forever,
Rich


 #: 657573 S5/Babylon 5: General
    17-Mar-97  20:57:51
Sb: #657554-Cherry Red
Fm: J. MICHAEL STRACZYNSKI

      You should've come up and said hello, I didn't know you were there.

      Re: the look on my face...it's a sad thing, but at 42 years old, having
lived the life I've led, and done the things I've done, part of me is very
iconoclastic and brash, but there's a part of me that's still about 12 years
old and shy and...okay, I blush.  Easily.  It's *really* embarrassing.  (Some
women tell me it's cute, which is even MORE embarrassing.)

      And yeah, Narns are marsupial, but since Andreas keeps referring to
himself otherwise, I used it.

      And the commune story...is WAY too long to tell.

                                                                    jms



 #: 656911 S6/Babylon 5: Spoilers
    14-Mar-97  16:44:12
Sb: #"A door"
Fm: ROWAN KAISER

Warning: The following contains spoilers for the first few eps of S4








Something I've been meaning to ask you about for a while.  In HotW, Kosh2
mentioned that Sheridan had opened "a door".  What did he mean by this?

My guess is that, by attacking ZHD, Sheridan broke one of the rules of the
game.  The Vorlons reasoned that, if one was broken, they may as well go all
out and bring out the Big Guns.  Am I close?

Postmaster Colonel Rowan
"I do not have diplomatic immunity"
        -BS on board


 #: 657574 S6/Babylon 5: Spoilers
    17-Mar-97  20:57:54
Sb: #656911-"A door"
Fm: J. MICHAEL STRACZYNSKI

      Close.  They couldn't break the rules of engagement, but he did...and
started things moving.

                                                                    jms


 [ Summary: "But I much prefer to limit that accounting to what SFWA 
   does 'officially,' and put the actions of individuals on their 
   individual accounts." ]

 #: 657723 S5/Babylon 5: General
    18-Mar-97  14:40:20
Sb: #657617-to sfwa from jms
Fm: J. MICHAEL STRACZYNSKI

       Okay, Mike...so the organization speaks for itself.  Over on GEnie,
George Martin came in, and speaking as Vice President for SFWA, speaking for
the *group*, said, of my statement to disqualify myself from future Nebulas to
show that this isn't part of a vested interest on my part but rather the
principle, "Don't you have enough awards, Joe?"  When another fan reminded him
of my statement given above, he said, "You cannot disqualify yourself from a
Nebula, and I suspect Joe knew that."  (Which I didn't.)  In essense he first
questions my motives and my ethics, then assaults my honesty, as his way of
dealing with my raising the issue.  (I then made it plain that I will not
accept any Nebula in future, regardless, if that's what it takes, though I
think most people knowing you don't want one will tend to discourage voting in
that area.)

       So now what is this, George speaking as George, or George speaking for
SFWA the organization?  Because when he came in he sure as heck made it clear
that he was speaking in his capacity as VP.

       Sorry, Mike, but the organization acts as its members act, and speaks as
its members speaks, and George's intemperate reaction, to immediately and
gratuitously go for the personal attack rather than discussing the issue, when
I had never said a WORD about any one person in this discussion, just shows
again why many are afraid to pursue this issue any more.  They're tired of the
petty, personal attacks, and so am I, from many of the members AND the
organization and its spokespersons.  Because an organization doesn't exist as
some kind of Platonic ideal, outside reality (though in this I sometimes wonder
if SFWA is outside reality).  It says in the Bible, "You shall know them by
their works."  An organization is known by what it does, and what it says,
through its members.  So you can try and divorce the two all you want, but
they're the same thing.

                                                                       jms




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