JMS CIS Digest: 08-Jun-99 14:19 through 10-Jun-99 21:55 (22 msgs)
John D. Hardin
jhardin at wolfenet.com
Sat Jun 12 02:20:21 EDT 1999
RFC 1153 Digest of messages from
J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at compuserve.com>
08-Jun-99 14:19 through 10-Jun-99 21:55 (22 messages)
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Subjects in digest:
Episode order?
Another Crusade Promo
B5 in Academe, Again
CRUSADE
My take Crusade
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Date: 07 Jun 1999 21:18:00 -0700
From: Gar Harris <76657.3333 at compuserve.com>
To: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at compuserve.com>
Subject: Episode order?
Message-ID: <forum.babylon5.66312 at compuserve.com>
References: <forum.babylon5.66260 at compuserve.com>
But you are saying that dispite the numerical sequence being
disordered, Crusade remains a contining story rather than standalone
episodes?
Also would you answer the question I asked about storyboards not being
used in episodic TV?
Thanks - Gar Harris
-Gar Harris
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Date: 08 Jun 1999 14:19:07 -0700
From: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at compuserve.com>
To: Gar Harris <76657.3333 at compuserve.com>
Subject: Episode order?
Message-ID: <forum.babylon5.66340 at compuserve.com>
References: <forum.babylon5.66312 at compuserve.com>
"But you are saying that dispite the numerical sequence being
disordered, Crusade remains a contining story rather than standalone
episodes?"
They're somewhat stand alone that was introducing characters and
setting up the details that would kick the arc into gear with #14.
"Also would you answer the question I asked about storyboards not
being used in episodic TV?"
We used them all the time.
jms
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Date: 08 Jun 1999 14:19:07 -0700
From: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at compuserve.com>
To: (blocked)
Subject: Another Crusade Promo
Message-ID: <forum.babylon5.66341 at compuserve.com>
References: <forum.babylon5.66339 at compuserve.com>
That's great, though I don't need a copy, thanks.
jms
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Date: 08 Jun 1999 19:16:01 -0700
From: Rebecca Eschliman <76072.2345 at compuserve.com>
To: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at compuserve.com>
Subject: B5 in Academe, Again
Message-ID: <forum.babylon5.66355 at compuserve.com>
JMS --
Thought you might like to know that a friend of mine who's teaching an
intro to philosophy course at a local Catholic University will be using
"Believers" as part of her curriculum.
-rje-
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Date: 09 Jun 1999 17:02:04 -0700
From: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at compuserve.com>
To: Rebecca Eschliman <76072.2345 at compuserve.com>
Subject: B5 in Academe, Again
Message-ID: <forum.babylon5.66384 at compuserve.com>
References: <forum.babylon5.66355 at compuserve.com>
Most cool....
jms
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Date: 09 Jun 1999 01:02:02 -0700
From: SysOp Deonaha M. Conlin <102531.2627 at compuserve.com>
To: ALL
Subject: CRUSADE
Message-ID: <forum.babylon5.66365 at compuserve.com>
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Tomorrow night, Crusade will premier on TNT at 10:00 pm eastern time.
Please join me live in Down Below for commentary and discussion on and
about Crusade, beginning at 9:45 Eastern time and ending whenever we
feel like leaving. <g>
After tomorrow night's live chat through the episode, a regular chat
will be held immediately following the airing of the east coast feed
every Wednesday evening following Crusade. Some of you may not want to
stay up that late - I'm open to suggestions for a regular Crusade chat
within the forum!
Let's make sure we're watching, and see the rabbit Joe pulls out for
us this time!
Di Conlin (aka Tigger), Wielder of the Lesser Salmon of Discipline
Supreme Dominatrix, RMES - your fearless leader Sigh Corps - Jason
Carter Division
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Date: 09 Jun 1999 17:08:14 -0700
From: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at compuserve.com>
To: SysOp Deonaha M. Conlin <102531.2627 at compuserve.com>
Subject: CRUSADE
Message-ID: <forum.babylon5.66385 at compuserve.com>
References: <forum.babylon5.66365 at compuserve.com>
My take on #1 is that this is the weakest of the bunch, because
this is the only one written at the behest of TNT; it's exposition
heavy, too much swaggering macho stuff, no real depth, just stuff
blowing up. The ones that follow are much better.
jms
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Date: 09 Jun 1999 20:12:04 -0700
From: SysOp Deonaha M. Conlin <102531.2627 at compuserve.com>
To: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at compuserve.com>
Subject: CRUSADE
Message-ID: <forum.babylon5.66393 at compuserve.com>
References: <forum.babylon5.66385 at compuserve.com>
Hi Joe!
I'm watching Crusade now.
Love the music. Love Gideon. Could do with a little less chest-
beating, if you get me drift. <g>
Without spoilers, if possible, a few things struck me.
This sucker feels LONG. Some of us who saw Call To Arms may feel like
we're being set up with the story a second time. I suppose I was
hoping for more of the meat of the story.
I like the majority of the characters. ESPECIALLY Gideon's XO - a
telepath! And the passing reference to SOMETHING happening with the
teeps - Will we ever find out what that something was?
That Drakh - Wayne Alexander? I'm probably wrong - but the voice....
Liked the return of the themes of what do you want, who are you, etc.
That new twist - "Who do you trust?" - could really open an interesting
door.
If this is one of the weaker eps, then I look forward to the rest of
them.
Di Conlin (aka Tigger), Wielder of the Lesser Salmon of Discipline
Supreme Dominatrix, RMES - your fearless leader Sigh Corps - Jason
Carter Division
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Date: 10 Jun 1999 00:15:10 -0700
From: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at compuserve.com>
To: SysOp Deonaha M. Conlin <102531.2627 at compuserve.com>
Subject: CRUSADE
Message-ID: <forum.babylon5.66411 at compuserve.com>
References: <forum.babylon5.66393 at compuserve.com>
All that exposition is what TNT wanted...and one of the reasons
was that they weren't going to rerun ACtA before it...then they were,
which made it all unnecessary...then they ran ACtA AFTER the ep...which
makes NO kind of sense.
jms
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Date: 10 Jun 1999 00:15:10 -0700
From: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at compuserve.com>
To: (blocked)
Subject: CRUSADE
Message-ID: <forum.babylon5.66412 at compuserve.com>
References: <forum.babylon5.66400 at compuserve.com>
"The mutiny was clumsy, but I like Gideon, Galen, Dureena and Trace.
(And from the way it opened, my first thought was, "this must be some
of the extra violence TNT wanted. Ugh.")
Ding.
"Will we find out why Gideon wouldn't have his exec scan the Drakh?"
The rules about unauthorized scans still apply. Matheson has to
operate even under stricter rules re: privacy now than before. You'll
see more on this later.
"The only really weak spots, to me were the " Earth in a panic"
scenes, which looked an awful lot like newsreel footage"
TNT note: we need to SEE Earth in turmoil, if we just hear about
it nobody's going to get it. They had us insert that.
jms
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Date: 09 Jun 1999 20:27:07 -0700
From: Michael R. Marks <104504.455 at compuserve.com>
To: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at compuserve.com>
Subject: CRUSADE
Message-ID: <forum.babylon5.66402 at compuserve.com>
References: <forum.babylon5.66385 at compuserve.com>
The opening scene cracked me up. Look there's a fight, as close to
wrestling as you can get on a starship.
I liked it. I'm still hearing Chen's music too much. Franke just
blended in and added a subtle presence.
Looking forward to the other 12 and hoping there will be 4 more years
worth.
Michael Marks
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Date: 10 Jun 1999 00:19:02 -0700
From: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at compuserve.com>
To: Michael R. Marks <104504.455 at compuserve.com>
Subject: CRUSADE
Message-ID: <forum.babylon5.66413 at compuserve.com>
References: <forum.babylon5.66402 at compuserve.com>
"The opening scene cracked me up. Look there's a fight, as close to
wrestling as you can get on a starship."
Yep. That's one of the mandates they put on the first ep...they
wanted to start with a fist-fight.
jms
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Date: 10 Jun 1999 06:41:03 -0700
From: (blocked)
To: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at compuserve.com>
Subject: CRUSADE
Message-ID: <forum.babylon5.66424 at compuserve.com>
References: <forum.babylon5.66411 at compuserve.com>
JMS,
> All that exposition is what TNT wanted...and one of the reasons was
> that they weren't going to rerun ACtA before it...then they were,
> which made it all unnecessary...then they ran ACtA AFTER the
> ep...which makes NO kind of sense.
>
I noticed that. It confused me, too. I found the exposition about as
unobtrusive as I could expect, bearing in mind you had to sum up a two
hour movie in five minutes... <g>
I do have one question; how much of the riot scenes were real new
footage? Much of it looked VERY real...
Cassy
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Date: 10 Jun 1999 21:54:13 -0700
From: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at compuserve.com>
To: (blocked)
Subject: CRUSADE
Message-ID: <forum.babylon5.66459 at compuserve.com>
References: <forum.babylon5.66424 at compuserve.com>
It was all real footage.
As for the exposition...one reason they asked for so much was
because they said it was going to air months after ACTA, and nobody'd
remember, and it wouldn't get rerun...then after we shot WZ they
decided they *would* rerun ACTA before WZ...then a few weeks ago they
decided to run ACTA -- which has all the info needed for WZ -- AFTER
WZ.
Now perhaps you get a small sense of what we've been up against.
jms
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Date: 10 Jun 1999 13:17:13 -0700
From: (blocked)
To: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at compuserve.com>
Subject: CRUSADE
Message-ID: <forum.babylon5.66437 at compuserve.com>
References: <forum.babylon5.66412 at compuserve.com>
> TNT note: we need to SEE Earth in turmoil, if we just hear about it
> nobody's going to get it. They had us insert that.
Somehow I get the feeling that the reason the Detroit Free Press
reviewer said that Crusade looked "like it came from the planet Cheez-
Whiz" can be summed up in 3 letters.... TNT. Unfortunately, if the
first episode were all I had to go by I'd have to agree with him.
Jeff
Sigh Corps - Pat Tallman Division
#2 in the ARC
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Date: 10 Jun 1999 21:54:14 -0700
From: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at compuserve.com>
To: (blocked)
Subject: CRUSADE
Message-ID: <forum.babylon5.66460 at compuserve.com>
References: <forum.babylon5.66437 at compuserve.com>
"Somehow I get the feeling that the reason the Detroit Free Press
reviewer said that Crusade looked "like it came from the planet Cheez-
Whiz" can be summed up in 3 letters.... TNT. Unfortunately, if the
first episode were all I had to go by I'd have to agree with him."
And I would as well.
That's the thing about all this...in the negative comments about
War Zone -- and actually there have been far fewer than I'd anticipated
-- there ain't much that I'd disagree with. If anything, they've
tickled me because they reflect EXACTLY what I'd said when these things
were asked for. It's been a massive validation.
jms
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Date: 10 Jun 1999 10:09:13 -0700
From: Dan T. Davis <71121.1254 at compuserve.com>
To: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at compuserve.com>
Subject: CRUSADE
Message-ID: <forum.babylon5.66427 at compuserve.com>
References: <forum.babylon5.66413 at compuserve.com>
> Yep. That's one of the mandates they put on the first ep...they
> wanted to start with a fist-fight.
Comments like this and others about TNT make me wonder how you put up
with this interference as long as you did!!!
And the differences were SO transparent (the fist fight, the earth
scenes, the posturing, etc.) I sure wish I could have seen a JMS
script as opposed to a "JMS with TNT" script.
Hmmm... TNT, no wonder they want it more explosive. (yes, very very
bad...)
Take care, Dan
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Date: 10 Jun 1999 21:54:14 -0700
From: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at compuserve.com>
To: Dan T. Davis <71121.1254 at compuserve.com>
Subject: CRUSADE
Message-ID: <forum.babylon5.66461 at compuserve.com>
References: <forum.babylon5.66427 at compuserve.com>
"And the differences were SO transparent (the fist fight, the earth
scenes, the posturing, etc.) I sure wish I could have seen a JMS
script as opposed to a "JMS with TNT" script."
The other 12 fit the bill.
jms
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Date: 10 Jun 1999 13:17:13 -0700
From: (blocked)
To: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at compuserve.com>
Subject: CRUSADE
Message-ID: <forum.babylon5.66435 at compuserve.com>
References: <forum.babylon5.66385 at compuserve.com>
> My take on #1 is that this is the weakest of the bunch, because this
> is the only one written at the behest of TNT; it's exposition heavy,
> too much swaggering macho stuff, no real depth, just stuff blowing
> up. The ones that follow are much better.
Seeing this message makes me feel much better about the show. It just
didn't feel right. Deb actually dozed off during the ep, that never
happened with B5. <s>
In the scenes with the Senator on Mars I wasn't sure Cole was in the
same room with the other two during the dialogue. Too many cuts back
and forth and his eyes seemed to move around oddly. Was this scene
editted back together from separate filmings?
Jeff
Sigh Corps - Pat Tallman Division
#2 in the ARC
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Date: 10 Jun 1999 21:54:14 -0700
From: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at compuserve.com>
To: (blocked)
Subject: CRUSADE
Message-ID: <forum.babylon5.66462 at compuserve.com>
References: <forum.babylon5.66435 at compuserve.com>
"In the scenes with the Senator on Mars I wasn't sure Cole was in the
same room with the other two during the dialogue. Too many cuts back
and forth and his eyes seemed to move around oddly. Was this scene
editted back together from separate filmings?"
At one point in editing we needed some close-ups, and there
weren't any in that part, so we kind of borrowed some from earlier in
the sequence. We do this a lot, when there isn't coverage of some parts
of scenes, rarely does anyone notice the eyeline difference.
jms
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Date: 10 Jun 1999 21:55:00 -0700
From: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at compuserve.com>
To: (blocked)
Subject: CRUSADE
Message-ID: <forum.babylon5.66463 at compuserve.com>
References: <forum.babylon5.66449 at compuserve.com>
Thanks....
jms
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Date: 10 Jun 1999 00:19:02 -0700
From: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644 at compuserve.com>
To: (blocked)
Subject: My take Crusade
Message-ID: <forum.babylon5.66414 at compuserve.com>
References: <forum.babylon5.66408 at compuserve.com>
"Will a CD on Chen's music be put out> I can't wait..."
Yep, in fact, I have it right here, having gotten the first
pressing of the thing for approval. Chris's company will be putting it
out.
jms
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