[B5JMS] Gore's speech re civil liberty

[b5jms at cs.columbia.edu]

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From: kurtullman at yahoo.com (Kurt Ullman)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 14:17:19 +0000 (UTC)
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In article <20031126182753.28820.00000899 at mb-m17.aol.com>, jmsatb5 at aol.com 
(Jms at B5) wrote:
>>Do US planes have a total no smoking policy yet?  Because once
>>such a policy exists cigarette lighters will have no valid use.
>
>Yes, but the tobacco industry's argument in getting the lighters on-board was
>to say that when flyers land, the first thing they want to do is light up
>immediately.
> 
>Don't blame me, that's what they said.
>
       And this is suprising exactly how? I don't smoke, but I have been run 
over by people trying to get to the smoking areas after a flight. 

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"Politics should be limited in its scope to war,
protection of property, and the occasional 
precautionary beheading of a member of the ruling class."
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From: jmsatb5 at aol.com (Jms at B5)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 06:17:25 +0000 (UTC)
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>(Jms at B5) wrote:
>>>Do US planes have a total no smoking policy yet?  Because once
>>>such a policy exists cigarette lighters will have no valid use.
>>
>>Yes, but the tobacco industry's argument in getting the lighters on-board
>was
>>to say that when flyers land, the first thing they want to do is light up
>>immediately.
>> 
>>Don't blame me, that's what they said.
>>
>       And this is suprising exactly how? I don't smoke, but I have been run 
>over by people trying to get to the smoking areas after a flight. 

Kurt, you're missing the point.  I don't know if you're deliberately missing
the point or not, but either way that ain't the point.  The POINT is that the
Bush administration, while making a big deal about keeping off planes things
that were NOT used by any real or potentail enemies (like nail clippers) has
allowed ON things that WERE used (a la a Bic lighter by the "shoe bomber," as
silly a sobriquet as you're apt to find)...which tends to suggest that their
concern really isn't about keeping people safe as keeping people *controlled*
while not annoying friends like the tobacco industry.

 jms

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