[B5JMS] I'm Gone

Wed Jul 19 04:42:34 EDT 2006

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From: jmsatb5 at aol.com
Date: 18 Jul 2006 01:22:23 -0700
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Readers of this newsgroup have noted, and asked about, the reason why
my postings here have been on the steady decline for some months now.

The reason is that I have been reading, and thus replying, less than
before, because it seems that nearly every thread have a posting by an
individual who has dedicated himself to the task of insulting me on a
constant basis, on a personal and professional basis.  This nearly
pathological obsession has manifested itself as, for lack of a better
term, the death of a thousand papercuts.  Each post is, on its own, as
irrelevant and unimportant as he is, but in the aggregate becomes a
constant note of insult.  He remains in this group not to participate
in the discussion, but to find some way to work an insult or derogatory
comment about me at every possible opportunity.  He is, for lack of a
better term, going out of his way to shit on me in a place where he
knows I have to read it...because that is his goal, to insult me where
he knows that I hang out...because he's too much of a coward to do it
to my face.

I'm not talking about critical opinions of a show, or disagreements,
I'm talking about bald-faced insults, affronts, digs and offense on a
personal and professional nature that have no business here.

I have discussed this previously with the moderators, who say they are
powerless to keep him out, that he has made it clear to them that he
does not and will not respect the will of either the moderators or the
members of this newsgroup, who he views with utter contempt, as
evidenced in the many messages in which he has described the members of
this group as "joe worshippers" and terms too vile for me to repeat.
He has stated to the moderators that if he is forced to leave, that he
will simply join again under a different ISP or a different name, that
the group must and will be held hostage to his conviction that the
moderators have no authority over him, that he can ignore the purpose
of this group, which is in part to provide a buffer zone between me and
net-stalkers, and that his right to be here outweighs the right of the
group or anyone in that group to keep him out, myself included.

A writer has only three resources: time, energy and visceral material,
and when those are being spent being pissed off, when every message
thread you'd otherwise like to participate in gets hijacked and
polluted by a dozen new insults, snide asides or affronts, you just
stop reading because life's too short.

Since the moderators cannot remove this individual due to his threats
to remain no matter their actions, or the intentions or guidelines of
this group, it seems that I therefore have no choice but to absent
myself from this group.  It is for this reason that I have already
mainly stopped reading and posting, and the members of this group, who
have participated in good faith for so long, deserve an explanation.

With luck, my departure will remove this individual's reason for being
here, and at least the group can return to a discussion of the pros and
cons of the show without his presence, because my absence will have
taken all the fun out of it.

jms

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From: Chris Patterson <chris_s_patterson at yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:34:53 -0400
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In article <1153210943.173201.327510 at p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
 jmsatb5 at aol.com wrote:

> Since the moderators cannot remove this individual due to his threats
> to remain no matter their actions, or the intentions or guidelines of
> this group, it seems that I therefore have no choice but to absent
> myself from this group.

I'm very sad that it has come to this, Joe, and wish you, as always, all 
the best. Although I am for the most part a lurker here, I've enjoyed 
reading your posts for about 6 years now. I hope to meet you in person 
at a con someday. 

I must admit I'm a bit surprised about this -- maybe because I killfiled 
("created a filter" in MT-Newswatcher parlance) Mr. Harper some time ago 
and haven't seen his posts. Was there some reason you could not do so? 
It would seem a less drastic step than leaving the group completely. I 
don't want to seem disrespectful here -- it's just the engineer in me 
trying to find a way to fix things.

I also want to say thank you to the moderators who have had to deal with 
this crap behind the scenes for so long, suffering (mostly) in silence 
and going above and beyond the call of duty in service of a bunch of 
strangers, for little reward, in what little free time real life affords 
them. 

And finally, Joe, I, too, would like to know where we should now turn to 
get the latest updates on your projects... Your own blog (with comments 
disabled), perhaps?
-- 
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Chris Patterson                     chrispatterson.at.comcast.dot.net
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are 
always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts."
                                           -- Bertrand Russell 
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From: "Laura Appelbaum" <l-appelbaum at mindspring.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:31:36 GMT
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"Chris Patterson" <chris_s_patterson at yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:chris_s_patterson-F2528F.13345318072006 at individual.net...

> I must admit I'm a bit surprised about this -- maybe because I killfiled
> ("created a filter" in MT-Newswatcher parlance) Mr. Harper some time ago
> and haven't seen his posts. Was there some reason you could not do so?
> It would seem a less drastic step than leaving the group completely. I
> don't want to seem disrespectful here -- it's just the engineer in me
> trying to find a way to fix things.
>
I ditto that, especially since, as a Luddite, I just don't click on and 
expand/read posts from people I don't want to listen to. It doesn't even 
require a computer program/filter to do that.  I guess the temptation to see 
what the jerk was saying was just too great for jms to avoid.  :(

LMA 

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From: jmsatb5 at aol.com
Date: 18 Jul 2006 22:12:33 -0700
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Laura Appelbaum wrote:
> "Chris Patterson" <chris_s_patterson at yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:chris_s_patterson-F2528F.13345318072006 at individual.net...
>
> > I must admit I'm a bit surprised about this -- maybe because I killfiled
> > ("created a filter" in MT-Newswatcher parlance) Mr. Harper some time ago
> > and haven't seen his posts. Was there some reason you could not do so?
> > It would seem a less drastic step than leaving the group completely. I
> > don't want to seem disrespectful here -- it's just the engineer in me
> > trying to find a way to fix things.
> >
> I ditto that, especially since, as a Luddite, I just don't click on and
> expand/read posts from people I don't want to listen to. It doesn't even
> require a computer program/filter to do that.  I guess the temptation to see
> what the jerk was saying was just too great for jms to avoid.  :(
>
> LMA

The problem with killfiles is, of course, that when the system quotes
messages, they get repeated.

I've now had several email conversations with the moderators, who have
given me their assurances that this will be fixed henceforth, and asked
that I give the process another shot.  In the spirit of cooperation,
I'm willing to give them the opportunity to demonstrate that.  So we'll
take this one step at a time, and I will give them, and the process,
the benefit of the doubt.

My apologies for the fray, but sometimes a raised public voice is the
only way to get done what private inertia obstructs.  That being done,
let's see if we can make this work.

So: onward.

jms

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From: "Mac Breck" <macthevorlon at yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 03:12:18 -0400
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<jmsatb5 at aol.com> wrote in message
news:1153285953.917035.243200 at b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Laura Appelbaum wrote:
> > "Chris Patterson" <chris_s_patterson at yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:chris_s_patterson-F2528F.13345318072006 at individual.net...
> >
> > > I must admit I'm a bit surprised about this -- maybe because I
killfiled
> > > ("created a filter" in MT-Newswatcher parlance) Mr. Harper some
time ago
> > > and haven't seen his posts. Was there some reason you could not do
so?
> > > It would seem a less drastic step than leaving the group
completely. I
> > > don't want to seem disrespectful here -- it's just the engineer in
me
> > > trying to find a way to fix things.
> > >
> > I ditto that, especially since, as a Luddite, I just don't click on
and
> > expand/read posts from people I don't want to listen to. It doesn't
even
> > require a computer program/filter to do that.  I guess the
temptation to see
> > what the jerk was saying was just too great for jms to avoid.  :(
> >
> > LMA
>
> The problem with killfiles is, of course, that when the system quotes
> messages, they get repeated.

Well, killfiles (at least in OE6) can also key off of words in the
subject line and/or message text.  ;-)

> I've now had several email conversations with the moderators, who have
> given me their assurances that this will be fixed henceforth, and
asked
> that I give the process another shot.  In the spirit of cooperation,
> I'm willing to give them the opportunity to demonstrate that.  So
we'll
> take this one step at a time, and I will give them, and the process,
> the benefit of the doubt.
>
> My apologies for the fray, but sometimes a raised public voice is the
> only way to get done what private inertia obstructs.  That being done,
> let's see if we can make this work.
>
> So: onward.
>
> jms

Good to hear.  Without you, we'd probably be witnessing The Passing of
Rastb5m.

-- 
Mac Breck (KoshN)
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"Babylon 5: Crusade" (1999)
Galen: "There is always hope, only because it's the one thing that no
one has figured out how to kill yet."
(Galen's obviously never met Warner Brothers, TNT-Atlanta or Sci-Fi.)

"Brimstone" (1998)
[Stone lights a candle for the dead in a Catholic church]
Gina: Who's that for?
Ezekiel Stone: Me.

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From: The Nuclear Marine <Nuke-Marine at cox.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:06:07 GMT
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"Mac Breck" <macthevorlon at yahoo.com> wrote in news:44bddb9c$0$3657$ecde5a14
@news.coretel.net:

> <jmsatb5 at aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1153285953.917035.243200 at b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>> So: onward.
>>
>> jms
> 
> Good to hear.  Without you, we'd probably be witnessing The Passing of
> Rastb5m.
> 

Nah, it would just limp along till the next B5 project resusitated 
interest.

And there will be a next B5 project, the cat outside on my porch promised 
me. I typed that out loud, didn't I?

Nuke

-- 
There comes a time in every man's life when he must die - Charles Applin

I'm kinda divided on this whole abortion issue. On one hand, I'm not about 
to let no woman control nothing, especially her own body. On the other 
hand, I really hate babies.

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From: jmsatb5 at aol.com
Date: 19 Jul 2006 01:18:45 -0700
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The Nuclear Marine wrote:
> "Mac Breck" <macthevorlon at yahoo.com> wrote in news:44bddb9c$0$3657$ecde5a14
> @news.coretel.net:
>
> > <jmsatb5 at aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:1153285953.917035.243200 at b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >>
> >>
> >> So: onward.
> >>
> >> jms
> >
> > Good to hear.  Without you, we'd probably be witnessing The Passing of
> > Rastb5m.
> >
>
> Nah, it would just limp along till the next B5 project resusitated
> interest.
>
> And there will be a next B5 project, the cat outside on my porch promised
> me. I typed that out loud, didn't I?
>
> Nuke

Obviously your cat has seen an advance copy of my talk this weekend at
SDCC....

jms