[B5JMS] TLT: Spoiler thread -- HERE BE SPOILERS!!!

Tue Aug 7 04:37:04 EDT 2007

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From: Amy Guskin <aisling at fjordstone.com>
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 01:31:07 GMT
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Just thought I'd set this up for folks to talk about plot details.

To get started...I was surprised to hear Apu playing the cab driver in New 
York.  :-D

Amy
-- 
"In my line of work you gotta keep repeating things over and over and over 
again for the truth to sink in, to kinda catapult the propaganda." - George 
W. Bush, May 24, 2005

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From: Amy Guskin <aisling at fjordstone.com>
Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 22:27:06 GMT
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I've been thinking about this a lot, and before I watch it again, I wanted to 
throw this out and see what kind of response there is.

What kind of technology are the techno-mages using to predict the future?  
Or, are we to assume that they are merely extrapolating from known data 
(Vintari is the son of crazy Cartagia; Vintari seems to have the same sort of 
longing for a return to the grand old days of the Republic that Londo has)?  
Galen seems _awfully_ assured of this destruction-of-many-worlds scenario, to 
be advising that Sheridan outright assassinate the kid.

I'm not saying that assassination is something unheard of for the 
techno-mages, but it was just disturbing that Galen was just _so_ ready for 
Sheridan to do it.  So that got me to wondering just how precise and correct 
is his information about the future.

Amy
-- 
"In my line of work you gotta keep repeating things over and over and over 
again for the truth to sink in, to kinda catapult the propaganda." - George 
W. Bush, May 24, 2005

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From: cmadams at hiwaay.net (Chris Adams)
Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 22:38:57 -0000
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Once upon a time, Amy Guskin  <aisling at fjordstone.com> said:
>I'm not saying that assassination is something unheard of for the 
>techno-mages, but it was just disturbing that Galen was just _so_ ready for 
>Sheridan to do it.  So that got me to wondering just how precise and correct 
>is his information about the future.

Who says he really showed Sheridan the future?  We know that Galen has
taken some interest in what's happening on Centauri Prime.  Also, we
certainly know that technomages can be rather manipulative as well.
-- 
Chris Adams <cmadams at hiwaay.net>
Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services
I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble.

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From: Amy Guskin <aisling at fjordstone.com>
Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 22:42:52 GMT
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>> On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 18:38:57 -0400, Chris Adams wrote
(in article <13b4n812u3p7g15 at corp.supernews.com>):

> Once upon a time, Amy Guskin  <aisling at fjordstone.com> said:
>> I'm not saying that assassination is something unheard of for the 
>> techno-mages, but it was just disturbing that Galen was just _so_ ready for 
>> Sheridan to do it.  So that got me to wondering just how precise and 
>> correct 
>> is his information about the future.
> 
> Who says he really showed Sheridan the future?  <<

Well, that was kinda my point.  :-)   I'm sitting here stewing over the fact 
that techno-mages, as far as we know, _can't_ predict the future.  And I'm 
trying to figure out what was going on there -- sure, manipulation of 
Sheridan, but _he_ should _also_ know that techno-mages can't predict the 
future.

Amy
-- 
"In my line of work you gotta keep repeating things over and over and over 
again for the truth to sink in, to kinda catapult the propaganda." - George 
W. Bush, May 24, 2005

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From: "Lance Corporal \"Hammer\" Schultz" <starfist at gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 17:48:03 -0500
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On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 22:42:52 GMT, Amy Guskin wrote:

> Well, that was kinda my point.  :-)   I'm sitting here stewing over the fact 
> that techno-mages, as far as we know, _can't_ predict the future.  And I'm 
> trying to figure out what was going on there -- sure, manipulation of 
> Sheridan, but _he_ should _also_ know that techno-mages can't predict the 
> future.

Maybe I missed something, but how do we know they can't see future
events?  Didn't we first meet them when they were leaving the galaxy
like rats a sinking ship?  Somehow they know what was about to happen
-- of course, that "future" was changed as well...

-- 
Lance Corporal "Hammer" Schultz
Promote someone else.
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From: Amy Guskin <aisling at fjordstone.com>
Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 00:49:38 GMT
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>> On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 18:48:03 -0400, Lance Corporal \Hammer\ Schultz wrote
(in article <xuq4ey2qvky6.158i0uztcsrmb$.dlg at 40tude.net>):

> On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 22:42:52 GMT, Amy Guskin wrote:
> 
>> Well, that was kinda my point.  :-)   I'm sitting here stewing over the 
>> fact 
>> that techno-mages, as far as we know, _can't_ predict the future.  And I'm 
>> trying to figure out what was going on there -- sure, manipulation of 
>> Sheridan, but _he_ should _also_ know that techno-mages can't predict the 
>> future.
> 
> Maybe I missed something, but how do we know they can't see future
> events?  Didn't we first meet them when they were leaving the galaxy
> like rats a sinking ship?  Somehow they know what was about to happen
> -- of course, that "future" was changed as well... <<

We've never been told that they _can_ see the future, and in fact, all of 
their "magic" is quite specifically revealed to be technologically driven.  
And I'm sure that we've never been shown a future-predicting technology as 
part of the B5 universe.

Amy
-- 
"In my line of work you gotta keep repeating things over and over and over 
again for the truth to sink in, to kinda catapult the propaganda." - George 
W. Bush, May 24, 2005

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From: "Lance Corporal \"Hammer\" Schultz" <starfist at gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 22:23:54 -0500
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On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 00:49:38 GMT, Amy Guskin wrote:

> We've never been told that they _can_ see the future, and in fact, all of 
> their "magic" is quite specifically revealed to be technologically driven.  
> And I'm sure that we've never been shown a future-predicting technology as 
> part of the B5 universe.

Just future-predicting dreamstates?

Who knows.  Unless JMS chimes in to explain it for us, it's just
another mystery.  According to the dialog, though, Sheridan seemed
pretty convinced that Galen had the ability to show him a future
event.

-- 
Lance Corporal "Hammer" Schultz
Promote someone else.
. 

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From: "jmsatb5 at aol.com" <jmsatb5 at aol.com>
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 16:31:41 -0700
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On Aug 2, 7:23 pm, "Lance Corporal \"Hammer\" Schultz"
<starf... at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 00:49:38 GMT, Amy Guskin wrote:
> > We've never been told that they _can_ see the future, and in fact, all of
> > their "magic" is quite specifically revealed to be technologically driven.  
> > And I'm sure that we've never been shown a future-predicting technology as
> > part of the B5 universe.
>
> Just future-predicting dreamstates?
>
> Who knows.  Unless JMS chimes in to explain it for us, it's just
> another mystery.  According to the dialog, though, Sheridan seemed
> pretty convinced that Galen had the ability to show him a future
> event.
>

Two quick things, since I'm still on deadline lockdown....

1) Let us remember that time travel is also a form of technology
(which is all I'll say about this for now).

2) Galen would likely have been content with either solution, as
noted, as long as one or the other was implemented.  But this one is
better.

jms