> No, the translab in the CS building is all Windows based. I think it's
> NT4 (I may be mistaken). However, it is a giant step towards having a
> usable computer lab. I just really loathe IE and consider it a major
> stumbling block in our quest towards a more useful web. I don't mean
> make it sound bigger than it is, but I just can't understand how 90+% of
> people get by using IE every day.
May I ask what you dislike about using IE?
--harlan
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I dunno what the OP's take on IE is, but I'm annoyed by IE for lacking the
following basic features:
1. Popup/image blocker. Every once in a while I need to use IE on
somebody's Windoze machine and find myself assaulted by popups, popunders,
400x600 pixel ads. The www is a totally different place when you're using
Mozilla
2. Tabbed browsing. C'mon now. This isn't rocket science.
ActiveX Controls: I think its safe to say that overwhelmingly more uses of
this have been malicious than desirable. I remember McAfee's online virus
scanning, but otherwise can't remember any website that made use of it in
a way that couldn't be just as easily done in other ways. MS needs to
admit that it was a bad idea and scrap it.
I think there can't be a better example of why a monopoly is bad than IE.
Pre-Win98, when people actually needed to choose which browser to use, IE
mad giant strides from one release to the next in terms of features, speed
and everything. Once they bundled it with Win98 and killed netscape
development seems to have come to a standstill.
Vinay
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, Harlan Crystal wrote:
> > No, the translab in the CS building is all Windows based. I think it's
> > NT4 (I may be mistaken). However, it is a giant step towards having a
> > usable computer lab. I just really loathe IE and consider it a major
> > stumbling block in our quest towards a more useful web. I don't mean
> > make it sound bigger than it is, but I just can't understand how 90+% of
> > people get by using IE every day.
>
> May I ask what you dislike about using IE?
>
> --harlan
>
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In message <Pine.LNX.4.56.0401290604340.24887 at linux11>, Vinay Pai writes:
> I dunno what the OP's take on IE is, but I'm annoyed by IE for lacking the
> following basic features:
> 1. Popup/image blocker. Every once in a while I need to use IE on
> somebody's Windoze machine and find myself assaulted by popups, popunders,
> 400x600 pixel ads. The www is a totally different place when you're using
> Mozilla
Sadly, they DO have that feature, but won't release it. Redmond residents
use an internal version of IE that has the ability to block popups. Nice
double standard, eh?
Erez.
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The perl mongers wepage is (google for stony brook perl mongers)
http://stonybrook.pm.org
meeting was supposed to be yesterday, but was canceled. There's a mailing list link on the page. Perhaps the 11th, but we're not sure about the next one.
-Lucas
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On Thu, 2004-01-29 at 01:44, Harlan Crystal wrote:
> > No, the translab in the CS building is all Windows based. I think it's
> > NT4 (I may be mistaken). However, it is a giant step towards having a
> > usable computer lab. I just really loathe IE and consider it a major
> > stumbling block in our quest towards a more useful web. I don't mean
> > make it sound bigger than it is, but I just can't understand how 90+% of
> > people get by using IE every day.
>
> May I ask what you dislike about using IE?
I guess its half my problem because I like to very strictly follow web
standards and good design practices when I develop web pages. This can
be seen on the LUGSB website (http://www.ic.sunysb.edu/clubs/lugsb)
where every page is valid XHTML1.1 and valid CSS. Not only that, but if
you're using a gecko based browser the page is served with a MIME type
of application/xhtml+xml which is what XHTML1.1 SHOULD be served as.
The problems arise when IE doesn't follow standards. Where I have to
design the page in a way that makes less sense and is generally less
correct because internet explorer is incapable of rendering the page. I
created a web based application over the summer during my internship and
I remember getting parts of it to work really well in mozilla in a
reasonable amount of time and then having to spend much more time and
degrade the elegance of the design simply because internet explorer
wasn't up to the task. While this problem with web standards seems a
little abstract, there are more concrete examples of IE shortcomings
such as broken transparent PNGs (also evident on the LUGSB page) as well
as the afore-mentioned tabbed browsing and pop-up blocking. However,
pop-up blocking will get into IE when Win XP service pack 2 comes out.
Hopefully Firebird will gain some ground before IE catches up. Because
that is what's going on now. IE is catching up in features and general
niceties, however Firebird is catching up in market share. The next
year should be very interesting in the browser world.
--Mark.
> --harlan