[LUGSB] lugsb Digest, Vol 79, Issue 9

Zeeshan Mughal zeeshan.jp at gmail.com
Thu Nov 11 17:33:15 EST 2010 

What time is the talk on Nov 22?

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>   1. LUGSB Emacs Talk (Jan Kasiak)
>   2. Re: Adobe is considering porting its Creative Suite to Linux
>      (Richard Yao)
>   3. Re: LUGSB Emacs Talk (Richard Yao)
>   4. Re: Official Meeting Topic ideas thread (Jan Kasiak)
>   5. Re: lugsb Digest, Vol 79, Issue 7 (Zeeshan Mughal)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 13:30:02 -0500
> From: Jan Kasiak <j.kasiak at gmail.com>
> To: Linux Users Group at Stony Brook <lugsb at fsl.cs.sunysb.edu>
> Cc: Gene Stark <stark at bsd7.cs.sunysb.edu>
> Subject: [LUGSB] LUGSB Emacs Talk
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> I spoke with Professor Stark and moved the emacs talk from November 15th,
> to
> November 22nd.
>
> -Jan
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> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 14:02:44 -0500
> From: Richard Yao <ryao at ic.sunysb.edu>
> To: Linux Users Group at Stony Brook <lugsb at fsl.cs.sunysb.edu>
> Subject: Re: [LUGSB] Adobe is considering porting its Creative Suite
>        to Linux
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> At the moment, the Linux desktop seems to have a chicken and egg
> problem, where bringing killer applications to the platform requires a
> larger market than it has at present and obtaining a larger market
> than it has at present requires killer applications be present on the
> platform. What John Nack requires for Adobe to support Linux falls
> into that trap and if things remain that way, nothing will likely ever
> be done. I made a comment on the petition that attempts to address
> that, although what will utlimately matter is whether or not someone
> can sell it to Adobe:
>
>
> http://www.getsatisfaction.com/adobe/topics/produce_creative_suite_for_linux#reply_3923178
>
> To summarize what I said in the comment more clearly than I originally
> stated it, I think that Adobe could use Linux as a vehicle to try a
> development model where platform support for Windows and Mac OS X is
> provided through a single API. If they like the results, they can save
> money by adopting it. Since they have outsourced the bulk of the work
> of supporting Linux to Nokia, they will be able to support Linux with
> little commitment on their part. If they do not like the result of
> their experiment, they can cut their losses by offering a Linux
> edition. If the Linux edition has sufficient sales, then they will
> have reason to continue it as an option for all of their customers. If
> it does not, then at least they have cut their losses. If they suceed,
> they could advertise as a "free" feature addition and exploit it for
> PR while having their developers do less work specific to each
> platform and more work specific to improving their actual software.
>
> By the way, Dan, at present, I am oscillating between working on a
> compiler assignment one weekend to working on an operating system
> assignment the next weekend, with everything else being done
> inbetween. While I grossly underestimated the work I had to do for
> these assignments and was too busy to attend the meeting dedicated to
> improving an open source project to show people that they could work
> on wisotool, I still plan to do some work on wisotool myself, although
> it does not look like I will have time until finals have ended.
>
> Yours truly,
> Richard Yao
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Dan Kegel <dank at kegel.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 4:00 AM, Richard Yao <ryao at ic.sunysb.edu> wrote:
> >> There is a petition for Adobe to produce its Creative Suite for Linux:
> >>
> >>
> http://www.getsatisfaction.com/adobe/topics/produce_creative_suite_for_linux
> >>
> >> It seems to have gotten the attention of Carey Burgess at Adobe, who
> >> says that he has forwarded it to "the appropriate team who will
> >> consider it for future releases of Adobe software", which is awesome.
> >>
> >> By the way, everyone please vote for the petition and ask the people
> >> you know to vote for it too. It looks like there is really a chance
> >> that native ports of Photoshop and Dreamweaver will become available
> >> for Linux.
> >
> > Let me chime in from afar here. ?(I'm an open source developer in Los
> Angeles,
> > and joined your list a month or so ago when there was talk of your lug
> having
> > an open source hackfest, I thought I could help with that.)
> >
> > Back when I was nudging Wine as hard as I could to support Photoshop,
> > I exchanged a few emails with the Adobe guy who heads Photoshop,
> > John Nack. ?His attitude towards a Linux port can be seen in this blog
> > post:
> >
> http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2008/02/wine_offers_improved_photoshop_on_linux_su.html
> > in which he says (in a comment to a comment, scroll down a bit):
> > "The question is, and always has been, whether Adobe could achieve
> > meaningful revenue growth by offering a third version of Photoshop.
> > Would porting to Linux bring in tens of thousands of new users (those
> > who aren't already using PS on Mac or Windows), or would it simply
> > shift part of the existing user base to a different OS? "
> >
> > So, in his view, it's easy to tell when it's time to do a Linux port:
> when
> > there are tens of thousands of people using Linux already who
> > do not currently own Photoshop but would buy a copy if and only
> > if it were available on Linux.
> >
> > In other words, they'd need to see about fifty thousand signatures on
> > that petition before they would really take notice.
> > - Dan
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 14:03:35 -0500
> From: Richard Yao <ryao at ic.sunysb.edu>
> To: Linux Users Group at Stony Brook <lugsb at fsl.cs.sunysb.edu>
> Subject: Re: [LUGSB] LUGSB Emacs Talk
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> You beat me to the announcement. I spoke to him at exactly 1:30pm
> about this very thing.
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Jan Kasiak <j.kasiak at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I spoke with Professor Stark and moved the emacs talk from November 15th,
> to
> > November 22nd.
> > -Jan
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> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 15:09:50 -0500
> From: Jan Kasiak <j.kasiak at gmail.com>
> To: Linux Users Group at Stony Brook <lugsb at fsl.cs.sunysb.edu>
> Subject: Re: [LUGSB] Official Meeting Topic ideas thread
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> Flipping Flops - Running the HPCC benchmark on your laptop/desktop
>
> -Jan
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Jonathan Dahan <jedahan at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Respond to this thread ONLY if you have a topic or project idea - no
> > dicussion. I'll start with what people have suggested so far.
> >
> > * Lugsb wiki
> > * Emacs Introduction
> > * Introduction to virtualization and networking
> >
> > - Jonathan
> >
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> From: Zeeshan Mughal <zeeshan.jp at gmail.com>
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> I would also prefer if the Emacs talk is moved to the following Monday,
> 6pm.
>
> -z
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:49 AM, <lugsb-request at fsl.cs.sunysb.edu> wrote:
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> >   1. Re: Emac talks (Jan Kasiak)
> >   2. Re: Emac talks (Richard Yao)
> >   3. Re: Emac talks (agentfat2004 at yahoo.com)
> >   4. Adobe is considering porting its Creative Suite to Linux
> >      (Richard Yao)
> >   5. Re: Adobe is considering porting its Creative Suite to Linux
> >      (Dan Kegel)
> >
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:58:20 -0500
> > From: Jan Kasiak <j.kasiak at gmail.com>
> > To: Linux Users Group at Stony Brook <lugsb at fsl.cs.sunysb.edu>
> > Subject: Re: [LUGSB] Emac talks
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> > Could we move it to the following Monday?
> > Tony, Matt and I are not going to be able to attend on the 15th.
> >
> > -Jan
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 12:13 AM, Richard Yao <ryao at ic.sunysb.edu>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I asked Jonathan at the end of last Monday's meeting about asking
> > > Professor Stark to give a talk this Mondayand he told me to ask him,
> > > so I assume it is Monday.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 12:06 AM, Vacheh David Sardarian
> > > <vsardari at ic.sunysb.edu> wrote:
> > > > I'm guessing this coming Monday.. Unless John says otherwise.
> > > >
> > > > -David.
> > > >
> > > > On 11/10/2010 12:02 AM, Zeeshan Mughal wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Hi,
> > > >>
> > > >> When is the talk on "Emac"?
> > > >>
> > > >> -z
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
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> > Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 16:03:25 -0500
> > From: Richard Yao <ryao at ic.sunysb.edu>
> > To: Linux Users Group at Stony Brook <lugsb at fsl.cs.sunysb.edu>
> > Subject: Re: [LUGSB] Emac talks
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> > If that is what people want, I could ask Professor Stark tomorrow if
> > the following week is okay. I will see him in class tomorrow morning,
> > so it would be nice to know definitively whether or not I should ask
> > by then.
> >
> > Jonathan, what do you want to do?
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Jan Kasiak <j.kasiak at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Could we move it to the following Monday?
> > > Tony, Matt and I are not going to be able to attend on the 15th.
> > > -Jan
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 12:13 AM, Richard Yao <ryao at ic.sunysb.edu>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I asked Jonathan at the end of last Monday's meeting about asking
> > >> Professor Stark to give a talk this Mondayand he told me to ask him,
> > >> so I assume it is Monday.
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 12:06 AM, Vacheh David Sardarian
> > >> <vsardari at ic.sunysb.edu> wrote:
> > >> > I'm guessing this coming Monday.. Unless John says otherwise.
> > >> >
> > >> > -David.
> > >> >
> > >> > On 11/10/2010 12:02 AM, Zeeshan Mughal wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Hi,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> When is the talk on "Emac"?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> -z
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> _______________________________________________
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 21:05:56 +0000
> > From: agentfat2004 at yahoo.com
> > To: "Linux Users Group at Stony Brook" <lugsb at fsl.cs.sunysb.edu>
> > Subject: Re: [LUGSB] Emac talks
> > Message-ID:
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> > I would like that also as I would not be able to be there.
> > Sent from my BlackBerry? powered by Virgin Mobile.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Richard Yao <ryao at ic.sunysb.edu>
> > Sender: lugsb-bounces at fsl.cs.sunysb.edu
> > Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 16:03:25
> > To: Linux Users Group at Stony Brook<lugsb at fsl.cs.sunysb.edu>
> > Reply-To: Linux Users Group at Stony Brook <lugsb at fsl.cs.sunysb.edu>
> > Subject: Re: [LUGSB] Emac talks
> >
> > If that is what people want, I could ask Professor Stark tomorrow if
> > the following week is okay. I will see him in class tomorrow morning,
> > so it would be nice to know definitively whether or not I should ask
> > by then.
> >
> > Jonathan, what do you want to do?
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Jan Kasiak <j.kasiak at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Could we move it to the following Monday?
> > > Tony, Matt and I are not going to be able to attend on the 15th.
> > > -Jan
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 12:13 AM, Richard Yao <ryao at ic.sunysb.edu>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I asked Jonathan at the end of last Monday's meeting about asking
> > >> Professor Stark to give a talk this Mondayand he told me to ask him,
> > >> so I assume it is Monday.
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 12:06 AM, Vacheh David Sardarian
> > >> <vsardari at ic.sunysb.edu> wrote:
> > >> > I'm guessing this coming Monday.. Unless John says otherwise.
> > >> >
> > >> > -David.
> > >> >
> > >> > On 11/10/2010 12:02 AM, Zeeshan Mughal wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Hi,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> When is the talk on "Emac"?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> -z
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 07:00:06 -0500
> > From: Richard Yao <ryao at ic.sunysb.edu>
> > To: Linux Users Group at Stony Brook <lugsb at fsl.cs.sunysb.edu>
> > Subject: [LUGSB] Adobe is considering porting its Creative Suite to
> >        Linux
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> > There is a petition for Adobe to produce its Creative Suite for Linux:
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.getsatisfaction.com/adobe/topics/produce_creative_suite_for_linux
> >
> > It seems to have gotten the attention of Carey Burgess at Adobe, who
> > says that he has forwarded it to "the appropriate team who will
> > consider it for future releases of Adobe software", which is awesome.
> >
> > By the way, everyone please vote for the petition and ask the people
> > you know to vote for it too. It looks like there is really a chance
> > that native ports of Photoshop and Dreamweaver will become available
> > for Linux.
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 06:49:03 -0800
> > From: Dan Kegel <dank at kegel.com>
> > To: Linux Users Group at Stony Brook <lugsb at fsl.cs.sunysb.edu>
> > Subject: Re: [LUGSB] Adobe is considering porting its Creative Suite
> >        to Linux
> > Message-ID:
> >        <AANLkTin+RdBEh0Y8JP-fvupA-2Kvje_AnDXjVVxFkPBS at mail.gmail.com<AANLkTin%2BRdBEh0Y8JP-fvupA-2Kvje_AnDXjVVxFkPBS at mail.gmail.com>
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> >
> > >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 4:00 AM, Richard Yao <ryao at ic.sunysb.edu> wrote:
> > > There is a petition for Adobe to produce its Creative Suite for Linux:
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.getsatisfaction.com/adobe/topics/produce_creative_suite_for_linux
> > >
> > > It seems to have gotten the attention of Carey Burgess at Adobe, who
> > > says that he has forwarded it to "the appropriate team who will
> > > consider it for future releases of Adobe software", which is awesome.
> > >
> > > By the way, everyone please vote for the petition and ask the people
> > > you know to vote for it too. It looks like there is really a chance
> > > that native ports of Photoshop and Dreamweaver will become available
> > > for Linux.
> >
> > Let me chime in from afar here.  (I'm an open source developer in Los
> > Angeles,
> > and joined your list a month or so ago when there was talk of your lug
> > having
> > an open source hackfest, I thought I could help with that.)
> >
> > Back when I was nudging Wine as hard as I could to support Photoshop,
> > I exchanged a few emails with the Adobe guy who heads Photoshop,
> > John Nack.  His attitude towards a Linux port can be seen in this blog
> > post:
> >
> >
> http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2008/02/wine_offers_improved_photoshop_on_linux_su.html
> > in which he says (in a comment to a comment, scroll down a bit):
> > "The question is, and always has been, whether Adobe could achieve
> > meaningful revenue growth by offering a third version of Photoshop.
> > Would porting to Linux bring in tens of thousands of new users (those
> > who aren't already using PS on Mac or Windows), or would it simply
> > shift part of the existing user base to a different OS? "
> >
> > So, in his view, it's easy to tell when it's time to do a Linux port:
> when
> > there are tens of thousands of people using Linux already who
> > do not currently own Photoshop but would buy a copy if and only
> > if it were available on Linux.
> >
> > In other words, they'd need to see about fifty thousand signatures on
> > that petition before they would really take notice.
> > - Dan
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
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