GREEN MEDDLER'S JMS on CompuServe 12/18/95

DeAnna Miller dmille12 at ix.netcom.com
Mon Dec 18 18:56:40 EST 1995


NOTE TO ARCHIVERS:

There is a message TO JMS FROM someone else in this message. 
In my view, it was essential to the thread, no way to ade-
quately synopsize it, so it is included.  Sorry for the
inconvenience.

DeAnna.


Subj:  Screen Saver Audio     Section: Babylon 5: General
  To:  Shirley DeCarufelFriday, December 15, 1995 12:26:05 AM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski       #416434

     Actually, the "cricket" sounds are the identicard
scanning sounds used in the  pilot movie.

      jms



Subj:  Hague back             Section: Babylon 5: General
  To:  John M. Kahane   Friday, December 15, 1995 5:05:20 AM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski       #416505

     At the office, I use the Kinesis keyboard, with two key-
wells, not broken lines.   Works well.

         jms


Subj:  <Gethsemane Thought>   Section: Babylon 5: Upcoming
  To:  John M. Kahane   Friday, December 15, 1995 5:05:24 AM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski       #416506

      {regarding "Passing Through Gethsemane" ep}

      Thanks.  Adam did a great job interpreting the script on
that one, and it's  definitely one of our most successful
episodes...though today I took a look at  another, more
completed version of episode 8, "Messages," and *man* is this 
amazing...just a knockout...trouble is we keep raising our own
bar and won't  accept anything less...so the pressure becomes
quite astonishing after a while.

     Fun, though....

         jms


Subj:  Babylon 4        Section: Babylon 5: General
  To:  Michael "GANDALF" Kalus  December 15, 1995 5:12:27 AM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski       #416508

     "wasn't nearly enough time"

     If you apply 20th century construction models, sure...but
we've advanced quite  a bit in 250 years.

      jms


Subj:  Babylon 4              Section: Babylon 5: General
  To:  Michael "GANDALF" Kalus  December 15, 1995 5:38:03 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski       #416676

      {regarding not enough time...}

      Except, of course, there's no need to transport steel
and other materials from  Earth...if that's your premise then
it's seriously flawed. You mine ore from the  surrounding
asteroids, as NASA has described for some time could be done. 
 You could assemble the shell off Earth in pieces fairly
quickly, use the jump gate  to get it to Epsilon Eridani, and
mine whatever else you need there in the area  fairly effi-
ciently.

      Bear in mind that building a station like this in 2260
uses many of the same  techniques already being used else
where...so in many cases it's a matter of  slightly converting
what's already being mass produced for other reasons.  
Explorer vessels like the Cortez, for instance, are nearly as
long as Babylon 5 (as  seen in "A Distant Star"), and its
rotating section is nearly as wide.  And you've  got other big
ships, many with rotational areas for gravity-positive
sections.  This  isn't like NASA gearing up to make a one-off
of something; this is a matter of  adjusting technology
already in use.

         jms


Subj:  Babylon 4              Section: Babylon 5: General
  To:  John McAuley     Saturday, December 16, 1995 1:54:17 AM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski       #416849

      {regarding acquiring raw materials to build B5}

     Aside from the hull stuff which would've been constructed
elsewhere and  shipped in and assembled, they would've mined
the asteroids for most of the  raw materials needed.

         jms


Subj:  Babylon 4              Section: Babylon 5: General
  To:  John McAuley     Saturday, December 16, 1995 9:38:13 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski       #417210

      {regarding B5 winning a Cult TV award}

      I know we won one, and I believe it was this past year,
yes; a very nice  engraved glass award.

         jms


Subj:  Kosh and the Shadows   Section: Babylon 5: General
  To:  Birgit Kohls     Friday, December 15, 1995 5:13:00 AM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski       #416509

      {regarding why they didn't kill Kosh}

     Course, a dead Vorlon would be a major giveaway for
them...best to keep a  low profile, at least for the time
being.

       jms


Subj:  <TFON - Religion>      Section: Babylon 5: Upcoming
  To:  Colin Glassey    Friday, December 15, 1995 5:38:06 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski       #416678

      Yes, those are pretty much the two interpretations...
that the Vorlons *created*  the myth of angels, or that they
came in and *exploited* it for their own purposes.  In my
view, the latter seems more logical in some ways.

         jms


Subj:  <TFON - Religion>      Section: Babylon 5: Upcoming
  To:  Philip Hornsey   Saturday, December 16, 1995 9:38:15 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski       #417212


      {regarding assumption that Vorlon standardized beliefs}

      On the other hand, I didn't say that was the case in all
places and in all cases.

         jms


Subj:  What's In A Name (Kosh)  Section: Babylon 5: General
  To:  Gerald Himmelein  Friday, December 15, 1995 5:38:11 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski       #416680

      <Quoting Gerald Himmelein to JMS>:

      >two days ago, I finally got around to purchase the
      >Compact Disc release of The  Who's classic WHO'S NEXT
      >album [remastered, with bonus tracks and new liner 
      >notes... really nice...] from 1971.

      >When I read through the fine print, I found myself
      >gasping in surprise.

      >"Original vinyl sleeve design by Kosh."

      <snip>

      >This Kosh appears to be a  photigrapher and designer,
      >and he apparently went with just that name, just  Kosh.

      <snip>

      >my question would be whether you were aware of this 
      >designer / photographer talent of the 70's and if his
      >name became the inspiration for the Vorlon Ambassador.


      No, I'd absolutely never heard this story before...I'm
astounded....

      jms


Subj:  What's In A Name (Kosh)  Section: Babylon 5: General
  To:  Gerald Himmelein        December 16, 1995 1:54:16 AM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski       #416848

      {regarding JMS's taste in music}

     Basically, I'm a fan of *all* music, except hard-stuff
country and opera.

        jms


Subj:  B5 Videos Yet Again    Section: Babylon 5: General
  To:  Trent K. Johnson Saturday, December 16, 1995 9:38:19 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski       #417213

     We'd almost certainly go for tapes initially...videodisks
would mean  remastering all the film stock back to its
original aspect ratio, and we're talking  major bucks here.

         jms


Subj:  Screen saver frustration  Section: Babylon 5: General
  To:  Bob Danielson    Saturday, December 16, 1995 9:46:03 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski       #417222

      To get at the files, you have to follow these steps: use
the Install part of the  setup menu, which takes you to the
CDrom.  Highlight the files in the Images  directory.  Then
copy them into the correct directory on your hard drive.  Once
that's done, you then select the images you want.  Also be
sure that the image  categories are toggled on your setup menu
(personal info, battle info, images  (all vs. selected) and so
on.

     I've found that every once in a while, a video piece will
bump into my system.   What's weird is that I have two
identical systems, one at the work office, one at  home...on
the work office system, every single image works without
problem.  At  home, one of the images bumps into windows and
shuts me down.

     The best way to find out which is doing this is to
individuall select the areas  (i.e., first select just Battle
Info, or Geological Info, and de-select all the others in  the
setup menu).  Let those run through, and if there's not a
problem, try the next  one.  Since they go in order, you can
figure out pretty fast which one is causing  you a problem. 
I did this, and now my system at home works fine, after
omitting  one of the ship info files that, again, runs just
fine on the work system.

         jms


Subj:  JMS resigns rastb5     Section: Babylon 5: General
  To:  Richard M. Perry Sunday, December 17, 1995 1:54:19 AM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski       #417309

      {regarding using SW and ST doing well as an argument
       for getting B5 eps for sale on tape}

     Nope.  Doesn't work.  They see Star Wars and ST as
valuable commodities;  they don't see us that way because they
*know* us, and we're just a show of  theirs, one of many. 
This is the way it *always* goes, though.  On Star Wars, they 
gave away most of the merchandising rights because they didn't
think anybody  would want the stuff; on ST they canceled it
after 3 seasons and didn't bother to  protect the copyright on
the stuff for almost ten years (which is why they often  don't
prosecute stuff based on the first series that gets pirated)
because they  figured it was worthless.

     It's only LONG after the horse has left the barn that the
suits ever really  understand what they've got...or had.

         jms


Subj:  From jms: info         Section: Babylon 5: General
  To:  Anne L. Warner   Sunday, December 17, 1995 10:27:07 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski       #417659

     Yes, the ratings on WSBK have been up between a half a
point and a full  ratings point over where it was, now that
they've stabalized it.  Which is what  we've been saying would
happen for some time.

     This is probably the overwhelming problem we've had with
the few stations  that've been shuffling the show around...
they don't give it a stable time slot,  constantly pre-empt
it, put it on at 3 a.m., and say it doesn't do good numbers. 
Well, duh.  But as soon as they GIVE it a solid spot, even
if it's only for a little  while, the difference is noticeable
almost instantly.  And then it *does* do well for  them.

     What're you gonna do....it's Chinatown, Jake....

     jms


Subj:  Chrysalis              Section: Babylon 5: General
  To:  Gerald Himmelein Sunday, December 17, 1995 10:27:14 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski       #417662

      {regarding if Garibaldi's shooting was pre-planned}

     No, the shooting of Garibaldi was always a very strong
part of the story for the  end of first season; that line goes
all the way back to the pilot, and Laurel  Takashima.

         jms



Subj:  Ds9 Cancellation Rumor       Section: Star Trek: DS9
  To:  Ted Wilcox       Sunday, December 17, 1995 10:47:23 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski       #417671

"I agree it is rediculous but JMS reported it at a Comic
conference somewhere  and I was giving what I consider good
advice to all who wish to do something  positive in lieu of
his negative comment. Read previous messages about the 
cancellation rumor so you can direct your anger to the proper
sources. I did not  start this and I will not speak further on
this rumor because it is exactly what JMS  wants. He loves for
us to argue among ourselves. Be careful, he may be reading 
and enjoying this right now!"

       Excuse me just one damned minute here.  I just found
out about this thread,  and once again this is being totally
and 100% distorted by you.

       I have never, ever, at any time posted a rumor saying
"Hey, DS9 is going to  be canceled."  If you can find it, and
post it, I will resign from Compuserve  *instantly* and
*permanently*.  But you won't, because it doesn't exist.  What
you,  and a few others, do is take what *was* said, throw it
out there to cause a  firestorm, which gets me in trouble.

       What I said was this: that at the time all this took
place, several months ago,  there were several articles
published -- in TV Guide, in the Los Angeles Times,  elsewhere
quoting people like Kerry McCluggage, the head of Paramount,
who  was concerned that having two ST shows around was cutting
into the potential  viewers for Voyager.  Even one of the exec
producers over at ST commented, in  the LA Times article, that
they may have gone to the well once too often.

       At the same time as this, there was a rumor floating
around town, which is  *still* floating around, that Paramount
was concerned about the notion of two  shows splitting the
potential ST audience...an audience that is necessary to 
Voyager as the cornerstone for the Paramount Network, UPN.
There's much to  be said for canceling one show, DS9, so that
there's only one place to go if you  want to see Star
Trek...Voyager.  Because Paramount has *millions* of dollars 
more invested in their network than in the standard syndica
tion deal for DS9.

       The *possibility* was being discussed, came the word on
the street. And  several other people in the industry, who
work in post production and sound  editing at the other
studios around town, came forth and supported this by saying 
they'd heard much the same.  But it's only woolgathering,
nothing more, and I  never said it WAS anything more than
that.  But a few people like you and a  couple of others have
taken that one message, which I posted only once, here,  not
some "comics conference," and crossposted it to other forums,
paraphrased  it, distorted it, and changed it around in order
to make it look like I posted a rumor  that I *never* in fact
posted, for the simple purpose of causing me grief.

       While there's much to commend this electronic forum,
what's *wrong* with it  at root is that people can come in
here, post something like this as if it's true,  and then you
have to respond to it and chase it down.

       Knowing folks here, I'm sure *somebody* has my original
post filed away  somewhere.  I'm happy to see that reposted,
because it is exactly as I have  characterized it.

       Look, I get in enough trouble for the things I *really*
say without other people  putting words in my mouth and
deliberately distorting it.

       I have never, ever, at any time, said that DS9 was
going to be canceled, or  that there was a rumor on the
streets that DS9 was going to be canceled.  Never  happened. 
Are we clear on this now?

         jms


NOTE TO ARCHIVERS:  HERE IT IS


Subj:  Ds9 Cancellation Rumor       Section: Star Trek: DS9
  To:  J. Michael Straczynski December 18, 1995 1:54:05 AM
From:  Georg Buthe                  #417721

 >       Knowing folks here, I'm sure *somebody* has my
original post filed  > away somewhere. I'm happy to see that
reposted, because it is exactly as I  > have characterized it.


Sure, no problem.

People read into messages what they want to read. Human
nature.

Georg Buthe

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%: 358451 S2/Star Trek  [SFMEDIA]
    06-Oct-95  06:25:18
Sb: #357994-VOYAGER'S BAD TREK
Fm: J. Michael Straczynski 71016,1644
To: Mary Taylor 75530,2650

     Speaking of TPTB, here's an interesting angle on the
whole Voyager/DS9 dynamic.

     Recently, more and more, the ST execs (people like Berman
and Pillar) have been commenting publicly about the factional
ization of the SF TV marketplace, and how this has diminished
the numbers for the ST shows overall.  Most interestingly, one
of them commented in an LA Times article this past week that
a big problem for them is the factionalization *within*
ST...that people may only have time to watch one version of ST
 that week, and they're being forced to choose.  And, of
course, there are the debates between the two sides on
quality.

     Which dovetails precisely into the rumor running around
town that Paramount is considering giving the axe to DS9 after
this season, in order to force folks who want their ST to
watch Voyager...because they have more money invested right
now in Voyager, particularly in start-up, and they have their
hopes for the Paramount network pinned to Voyager as their
center. They don't like the idea of a syndicated show out
there causing problems for the network on which they've spent
millions and millions of dollars.  And DS9's ratings have been
steadily on the decrease since the debut.  So the logic goes:
take away DS9, and make those who want Trek go to Voyager as
the sole provider of that.

     Given the sources from whom this has come, I give very
high credibility to the notion that this *is* being discussed;
whether or not it will be implemented, that only time will
tell.  If Voyager continues to decrease, threatening the
foundations of Paramount's bid for a network, I'd think the
chances of this happening will continue to rise.

      jms 

Subj:  Ds9 Cancellation Rumor       Section: Star Trek: DS9
  To:  Georg Buthe      Monday, December 18, 1995 3:11:01 AM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski       #417729

     THANK you.  As the message said, the topic *was* being
discussed, but that  there was no indication as to whether or
not that step would eventually be  implemented.  And others
confirmed this.  Nowhere in that message was it  stated by me
that the show *is* going to be canceled, or that I'd heard
anyone  else say that it was going to be canceled.

     With luck, this will finally put an end to the distor
tions that get around, thanks  to some people who want to fuel
online wars.

     Thanks again for digging this out.

       jms




Subj:  Ds9 Cancellation Rumor       Section: Star Trek: DS9
  To:  Stephen C. Smith Sunday, December 17, 1995 10:53:15 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski       #417674

     Stephen: check my comment to Ted.

         jms






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Subj:  JMS: Best party ep?    Section: Babylon 5: Upcoming
  To:  Lynn Dimock      Friday, December 15, 1995 5:05:19 AM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski       #416504

      <Quoting Lynn Dimock to JMS>:

>Why does your saying an episode is serious make me so
>nervous?

     I don't know, but it should make you *really* nervous....


         jms


Subj:  JMS resigns rastb5     Section: Babylon 5: General
  To:  Anne L. Warner   Sunday, December 17, 1995 10:27:08 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski       #417660

      <Quoting Anne Warner to JMS>

      >Without suggesting anything that hasn't been clearly
      >indicated on the air as  interesting history, could we
      >give you our opinions about what "history" we'd like 
      >to see???

      >One of my votes would go to Valen and the origins of
      >the Grey Council.


     Then you will get your wish, and then some.


         jms


Subj:  <Gethsemane Thought>   Section: Babylon 5: Upcoming
  To:  Philip Hornsey   Friday, December 15, 1995 5:38:08 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski       #416679

      <Quoting Philip Hornsey to JMS>:

>Did Adam Nimoy direct Messages?

     No, Mike Vejar directed "Messages."

        jms


Subj:  <Gethsemane Thought>   Section: Babylon 5: Upcoming
  To:  Philip Hornsey   Saturday, December 16, 1995 9:38:15 PM
From:  J. Michael Straczynski       #417211

      {regarding Nimoy doing any others}

     We're currently working that out.

         jms





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