GREEN MEDDLER'S JMS on CompuServe 12/21/95
DeAnna Miller
dmille12 at ix.netcom.com
Thu Dec 21 18:26:50 EST 1995
Hi Folks!
Many of you have expressed an interest in seeing the posts
FROM others TO JMS in these posts. The reason they are not is
that these posts are also sent to archivers, who, for legal
reasons, cannot archive the posts of others. I have tried to
summarize the posts of others in the {regarding} area, but
this has proved insufficient for some. I understand that
someone else is also posting these, including the posts from
others to JMS. If this is not the case, I am sure *someone*
will let me know, about it!
This time I have included some quotes from the posts of others
inside JMS's messages. It is lengthy, but I hope this helps.
Subj: Ds9 Cancellation Rumor Section: Star Trek: DS9
To: Colin Knowles Wednesday, December 20, 1995 6:28:29 PM
From: J. Michael Straczynski #419339
{regarding why Paramount doesn't move DS9 to UPN}
I don't know for certain, but I'd suspect that there are
contractual elements prohibiting this. UPN is an alliance
between Paramount and Chris Craft Television; at this point,
CCT is paying virtually all the money for developing and
airing the shows, with Paramount contractually able to buy 50%
of the network sometime in the next year or so. (This per
the trades and reports in industry business journals.)
DS9 is currently owned exclusively by Paramount. Many of
the stations that currently air DS9 are not necessarily part
of the UPN network; some are Tribune stations, or other
independents. If they made it part of UPN, they would then
have to shuffle around a lot of stations, and might end up
losing better time slots and it's a *lot* of hassle. And
Paramount would have to be willing to turn over partial
ownership of DS9 to Chris Craft (here I'm guessing), and they
may not want to do that, may possibly not be *able* to do so
by contract.
It's a very confusing corporate web, not that unlike the
situation which basically prevents B5 from going to the WB
network.
jms
Subj: Chrysalis Section: Babylon 5: General
To: Gerald Himmelein Monday, December 18, 1995 11:25:03
From: J. Michael Straczynski #418138
<quoting Gerald Himmelein to JMS>:
>Meaning that originally, Garibaldi was going to be shot
>at by Laurel and since she dropped out after The
>Gathering, you used Garibaldi's second in command as
>a trap door? Very nicely done.
Correct, had Laurel stayed with the station, it would've
been she who pulled the trigger on Garibaldi.
jms
Subj: Chrysalis Section: Babylon 5: General
To: John McAuley Tuesday, December 19, 1995 11:05:04 PM
From: J. Michael Straczynski #418804
<quoting John McAuley to JMS>:
>Would Laurel have been a PsiCorps-personality-implant-
>mole?
Yes, Laurel would've been Control.
jms
Subj: Chrysalis Section: Babylon 5: General
To: The Jawa / Jawa #2 December 19, 1995 11:05:06 PM
From: J. Michael Straczynski #418805
<quoting The Jawa / Jawa #2 to JMS>:
>Is it true that for awhile, the traitor was going to be
>Ivanova?
No, after the thread with Laurel was revealed, lots of
people *assumed* that that thread had been passed along to
Ivanova. It had never in fact been intended for her, but
when it was broached, I simply didn't reply, on the theory
that if I said it *wasn't* her, it'd narrow it down to who it
*was*.
jms
Subj: Chrysalis Section: Babylon 5: General
To: The Jawa / Jawa #2 December 20, 1995 6:28:22 PM
From: J. Michael Straczynski #419337
<quoting The Jawa / Jawa #2 to JMS>:
>So, like Sheridan, Ivanova wasn't a "replacement"
>character?
All the characters are unique; there seems to be this
bone-headed notion, that I frequently run into, of "Well,
Ivanova's just Takashima renamed," or "Sheridan's story is
just the same as Sinclair's, same guy just renamed." They're
*not* and never have been. The story of one does not devlove
automatically upon the other. If you make a change, it's
because you have something better in mind...otherwise why
make it?
jms
Subj: Chrysalis Section: Babylon 5: General
To: Robert Miller Thursday, December 21, 1995 4:07:15 AM
From: J. Michael Straczynski #419589
<Quotong Robert Miller to JMS>:
>If Laurel had stayed on the show, would she have
>received the password by this point in the story? Who
>would then have taken over as second in command?
If Laurel *had* stayed with the show, by the middle of
year two the fact that she was Control would've been revealed
via the password incident. At that point, one particular
possibility was that her second in command under her -- a
rather dour Russian lieutenant named Ivanova -- would've been
promoted to take her place, while Laurel was moved off the
chessboard. (This was planned because we knew going in that
Tamlyn Tomita had a growing film career, and we probably
could've only kept her for a couple of years in the best of
circumstances. So why not turn that to your advantage?)
The position now being occupied by Corwin, Ivanova's
second, is the position that Ivanova would've held (though
more prominently) if Laurel had stayed on. (And no, Corwin
doesn't now have that arc lurking in the background.)
See, it's easy to stick to an outline and never diverge
if you're writing characters in a novel; in a TV show, with
live actors, you have to be flexible, plan ahead, come up
with contingency plans, and have threads that weave and
interlock in ways to leave you maximum flexibility while still
proceeding toward your destination.
jms
Subj: Chrysalis Section: Babylon 5: General
To: The Jawa / Jawa #2 December 19, 1995 11:14:06 PM
From: J. Michael Straczynski #418813
"I *liked* Laurel!"
Well, yes, that's rather the point; tragedy is only
tragedy if it happens to someone you care about and like.
jms
Subj: Chrysalis Section: Babylon 5: General
To: The Jawa / Jawa #2 December 20, 1995 6:28:26 PM
From: J. Michael Straczynski #419338
<Quoting The Jawa / Jawa #2 to JMS>:
>Laurel would not have shot Garibaldi, though, right?
Yes, Laurel would've shot Garibaldi.
The tragedy rule is the #1 rule if you're going to make
people care about your characters.
jms
Subj: From jms: info Section: Babylon 5: General
To: Anita Karve Monday, December 18, 1995 11:25:05 PM
From: J. Michael Straczynski #418139
{regarding Anita's move from Boston to San Francisco
and her adoration of the show}
Thanks. (And that's quite a long move, and a different
climate.)
jms
Subj: From jms: info Section: Babylon 5: General
To: Bill Sheldon Tuesday, December 19, 1995 4:46:16 AM
From: J. Michael Straczynski #418230
<Quoting Bill Sheldon to JMS>:
>I was at SDCC for your showing of the TLTS, my
>favorite episode to date. <snip> I saw a really nice
>Duck Dodgers animation cell. Did you get an early
>X-mas present from yourself?
No, didn't pick up that one, though I thought about it.
Problem is there's too MUCH cool stuff at SDCC...which is why
I go every year.
jms
Subj: ATTN:JMS <? About B4> Section: Babylon 5: General
To: Jason Wong Monday, December 18, 1995 11:25:07 PM
From: J. Michael Straczynski #418140
<Quoting Jason Wong to JMS>:
>Just curious: is the season 2 ender going to be re-run?
>I noticed that it was replaced with the season 3
>opener at the end of this batch of re-runs, and was
>curious as to why.
Actually, the season 2 opener was "Points of Departure,"
which wasn't rerun in this batch, but rather "Hunter/Prey,"
chosen because it sets up some stuff in the next batch of
episodes.
jms
Subj: Looking Back and Forward Section: Babylon 5: General
To: John M. Kahane Monday, December 18, 1995 11:25:19 PM
From: J. Michael Straczynski #418142
Jeez...where do I even start with that one...?
Okay, "how would I evaluate the work that I've done on
the series to this point." (I assume this refers to the
scriptwriting part of my duties, rather than the producing
part.)
The first season, I think, was pretty fair. There were
some rough spots here and there. There's a thing known to
athletes called getting "in the zone," that's when you're
absolutely on target, in the groove, whatever jargon you wish
to throw in. In any first season of a show, no matter howmuch
advance planning has gone into the thing, there's a shakedown
period as you find out what really *does* and doesn't work.
There was a fair amount of that in year one.
I think I only really popped into the "zone" a few
times, with the first real such experience being "And the Sky
Full of Stars." Once I hit it, I was able to find the target
again a few more times that season, with "Mind War," "Babylon
Squared," "Chrysalis" and a couple of others. But that was
about it. I was trying to find a new way of telling a story
for TV, and while I'd been thinking about it for a long time,
there was never a chance to get in any *practice* because
except for Power, which had a few arc aspects to it, no other
show WORKS like B5 in this respect. So there was still a
learning curve.
Season two, I think, I started to Get It more often,
and more consistently. I'd learned a lot doing year one, and
was able to apply it. I don't think I could've written "The
Coming of Shadows" in year one, I just hadn't yet acquired the
skills that ONLY come through practice doing this very
unusual style of storytelling. I think I got into the zone
a little faster, with the last four in particular being right
on the mark, for what I wanted to achieve.
And as far as season three is concerned...though only
4 have aired, I'm finishing #17 right now. I usually gauge
where things are by the reaction the scripts get around the
set...and this season, more than any other, I've had the
actors and crew come by just shaking their heads in astonish-
ment at what's coming down in the pages. The folks at WB
have made it a point to call and say that they're loving what
they're seeing in the scripts, and that's unusual.
Subjectively -- and this opinion is the least valid,
since it's colored by my own perception -- I think that at
this moment, I'm doing the best work of my career to date.
There's something happening in the scripts that...I can't
really define. There's just something *there* that wasn't
there before, or was there only sporadically. The scripts
are completely taking on a life of their own. (I related
elsewhere that something very major happened in "Interludes
and Examinations," #15, that was never, ever in the arc, that
I hadn't planned on doing when I began the script...but the
damned thing just *happened*...and all I could do was watch
it unfold on the page.)
Out of 17 to date, the only one that's *slightly*
clunky is "Exogenesis," because it's just a little too
straightforward for my tastes. I'd thought it was going to be
something other than what it was; there's a writing phrase,
"it's too much what it is." But it has some great character
moments in it, and I think that redeems it to some extent.
But that's it, that's the only one. "Messages From
Earth" may be, in my view, the best thing we've ever done.
And the rest are just nifty. I'm pleased and proud and
utterly astonished at how well some of this stuff has come out
this season.
(I *suspect* that part of the reason for the improve-
ment this season is that I'm not outlining each episode as
much as before. I used to sit down and break out each act in
detail, and then stick pretty strongly to that outline. Now
I just sit down, knowing where I have to go with the story,
and write it straight through, letting the characters take
control from time to time. It takes a long time to be able
to trust yourself, your ability, and your characters before
you can do that in a show; finally I'm there.)
"what directions do you see the series going in now,
that you might not have considered back when you first
started?"
Well, it's hard to say, in large measure because of
what I've reported in the paragraphs preceding. The series
has taken on a life of its own now, and while I know where
it's going, from time to time this great big unweildy beast
throws me off and goes where it wants. And I'd be a fool if
I refused to listen to that, and forced it to comply with
what I'd come up with in 1987. Because that's the key
thing that I've come to understand. The structure was written
in 1987/88...and I'm a much better writer now than I was
then. I still intend to reach the destination I'd imagined,
but I've found FAR more interesting ways to get there than I
could've imagined then. Remember, since 1987 I worked on the
Twilight Zone, Nightmare Classics, Murder She Wrote...I've
learned a lot of stuff and acquired some tools I didn't have
back then.
So long answer made short...I think that the main
difference is that the rest of the story is going to be more
ambitious, more dramatic, more fundamentally *interesting*
than I had ever hoped for. And given what was there before,
that's saying a lot.
jms
Subj: Looking Back and Forward Section: Babylon 5: General
To: Trent K. Johnson Tuesday, December 19, 1995 4:46:16 AM
From: J. Michael Straczynski #418231
<Quoting Trent K. Johnson to JMS>:
>One of the many, many things I applaud about your
>writing is not only the avoidance of technobabble, but
>avoiding techno-traps so prevalent in "the other
>shows".
>
>A case in point from "ST: Voyager": A writer (or
>writers) comes up with the idea to land the ship on a
>planet. (Earhart episode) In a subsequent episode we
>then get, "Can't transport. Can't use a shuttle.
>Hey! Let's land. Uh, we can't because, uh, yeah, the
>ground's too soft. Yeah! That's it!"
>
><sigh>
"sigh" indeed....
jms
Subj: Looking Back and Forward Section: Babylon 5: General
To: Philip Hornsey Tuesday, December 19, 1995 11:05:01 PM
From: J. Michael Straczynski #418803
<quoting Philip Hornsey to JMS>:
>we have come to the conclusion, recently, that by the
>time it is over, B5 *may* be the exception that proves
>that general rule.
Yes, it does feel more like a novel now than anything
else.
(BTW, "the exception proves the rule" is a bastardiza-
tion of the original Latin phrase, "exceptio probat regulum"
(from memory), which means "the exception puts the rule to
the test of proof.")
jms
Subj: Looking Back and Forward Section: Babylon 5: General
To: Tom Knudsen Wednesday, December 20, 1995 6:28:00 PM
From: J. Michael Straczynski #419340
<Quoting Tom Knudsen to JMS>:
> < (BTW, "the exception proves the rule" is a
>bastardization of the original Latin phrase, "exceptio
>probat regulum" (from memory), which means "the
>exception puts the rule to the test of proof.")>
>
> You've been getting a lot of use out of that
>tidbit of knowledge lately, haven't you?<G>
I paid for this college education, and by god I'm going
to use it for SOMEthing.
Odd that this particular phrase has cropped up so much
in recent weeks. Another bugaboo of mine is the use of the
word "less" when what the person means to say is "fewer."
"There are less people here today." No, "There are *fewer*
people here today." There are very few things about which I
will actually correct someone in the course of speaking, not
wishing to be overly pedantic...but this is one of them. The
other is when I see a sign that says FOR "SALE"...well, is it
for sale or isn't it?
Anal retentive? Moi?
jms
Subj: <Gethsemane Thought> Section: Babylon 5: Upcoming
To: John M. Kahane Monday, December 18, 1995 11:25:23 PM
From: J. Michael Straczynski #418143
Actually, Mike Vejar is directing the two-parter, and I'm
absolutely thrilled about it; Mike's been our mainstay for
some time, and he's just terrific. (He directed "Convic-
tions," and "Inquisitor.")
Adam was great in that he's a *very* serious director
who sits down and really thinks through the subtext of the
episode, the thematic aspects, the underlying symbology, and
then sits with the actor and *really* works with them so that
they fully understand the nuances of the scene. A lot of TV
direction can be rushed...you're always under the gun...so
it's rare to find someone who really takes his time and
prepares the cast.
"Does the pressure come from within, or does it come
from without and the reaction of the fans of the series?"
From within. There's nothing I've ever seen on any net
that's half as critical of this show as what's said by we who
make it. If you try to gauge a show, any show, and determine
its direction by viewer reactions, you're going to have
pudding, because there are too many divergent reactions. It
becomes one massive committee...and committees are the death
of any creative process.
I'm making this show, first and foremost, for myself,
on the theory that what I find interesting, others may also
find of interest. And I'm a perfectionist. Also a pain in
the ass. Also monomanaical. Just getting a show this big,
this involved, this visually complex *made* is a task of
Herculean proportions...let alone getting it made *well*.
I've always been a very driven personality; I try never
to settle for second best. If it can't be done just a little
better than what we did last week, why the hell are we doing
it? There *has* to be constant evolution, constant growth,
constant challenge, or you're dead creatively. You've got to
be absolutely willing to knock all your support pins out from
under you, in the belief that your skills will enable you to
land somewhere interesting on your feet. The moment you
*stop* taking that risk...you're finished. At least, that's
what I feel about it.
This show is probably my one real chance to leave a
mark that I passed this way, so it has to be as good as I can
humanly make it. And nothign will ever get in the way of
that.
jms
Subj: <Gethsemane Thought> Section: Babylon 5: Upcoming
To: Philip Hornsey Tuesday, December 19, 1995 11:05:00 PM
From: J. Michael Straczynski #418802
<Quoting Philip Hornsey to JMS>:
>>>> I'm making this show, first and foremost, for
>myself, on the theory that what I find interesting,
>others may also find of interest.
>
>ROFLMAO!
>
>Joe...
>
>I *hate* to tell you this...but worded *slightly
>differently...that's a Rush Limbaugh quote...
>
>I will now flee the country and leave no forwarding
>address.
Be advised that the only thing standing between you and
the abyss is my assumption that you're making this up....
jms
Subj: Franklin's Stims Section: Babylon 5: General
To: John M. Kahane Monday, December 18, 1995 11:36:19 PM
From: J. Michael Straczynski #418145
Stims are a prescription drug, which makes it perfect
fodder for abuse by doctors (which includes Drs Rosen and
Franklin). And yes, Franklin has been getting increasingly
cranky of late for reasons related to stims.
jms
Subj: Mo Mosely Section: Babylon 5: General
To: David Chandler-Gick December 19, 1995 4:46:15 AM
From: J. Michael Straczynski #418229
<Quoting David Chandler-Gick to JMS>:
>What was your initial reaction to finding out about Mr.
>Doyle's "embellished" resume, and how did you "deal"
>with it?
Well, I just kinda figured it fit in perfectly with the
character; that's something Garibaldi would've done....
jms
Subj: Mo Mosely Section: Babylon 5: General
To: John McAuley Tuesday, December 19, 1995 11:05:09 PM
From: J. Michael Straczynski #418806
<Quoting John McAuley to JMS>:
>Did you find out before you hired him?
I found out the day he came in; I looked down and saw on
his resume "Dance Theater of Harlem," and said "What the heck
is this? Hey you, DANCE." Since then, he's forgotten this,
and continues to insist that nobody ever caught onto his
little ploy.
jms
Subj: Thank you, sir. Section: Babylon 5: General
To: David Belt Tuesday, December 19, 1995 11:05:11 PM
From: J. Michael Straczynski #418807
<Quoting David Belt to JMS>:
>I want to say thank you. I showed my 12-13 year old
>deacons "Passing Through Gethsemane" on Wednesday
>night. Other than my son (who is an avid fan), none
>of them watch the series. In fact, other than my son,
>all of them say that they don't like the series at all
>(in the less than imaginative and colorful ways that
>boys that age have of disparaging that which they have
>never tried.)
<snip>
>The other adult present (who had never seen the show)
>taught the lesson to the deacons quorum on Sunday and
>made several references to the show. It was a great
>experience.
Then perhaps the next sermon/lesson should be on the sin
of prejudging something before actually being exposed to
it....
Most interesting, and very encouraging to hear, thanks
for passing that along. As an atheist, I'm always caught
betwixt and between when I hear about this kind of reaction;
as a writer, I'm pleased. So the two of us are going to go
out behind the house and slug it out. Film at 11.
jms
Subj: Questions Section: Babylon 5: General
To: The Jawa / Jawa December 19, 1995 11:05:19 PM
From: J. Michael Straczynski #418808
{regarding suggestions for Jawa's novel}
Technical: if someone who knows scientific stuff said
"this character can't do this because it's technically
impossible," I'd have to really consider it, if he could give
me a good enough argument. (And even there you have wiggle
room...what we *think* is impossible now may not be in 200
years. Serious scientists years ago said that if you went
more than 60 miles an hour in a train or a car you'd be
killed by the pressure. So as long as you can make a plaus-
ible argument that it's *possible,* even if it's highly
unlikely, you can sometimes get away with rubber science.)
If it's a big glaring issue, or in the present where you don't
have alternate options, you may be stuck hewing to it. If
the person suggested an alternative, and that alternative
worked, and kept the science valid, sure, I'd take it. That's
what a consultant is for. As long as it doesn't compromise
the integrity of the story.
Who reads: Yes, do be careful in your selection. Some
people will tell you how to write it "better," when they
really mean "write it more like *I* would've written it." A
really bad reaction to what you've written, from someone you
like or admire, can be an absolute soul-killer. And they may
not be right. May, in fact, be quite wrong. What you also
have to remember is what every writer learns: if you put your
work out there, and you ASK for an opinion, suddenly they feel
that they *must have* an opinion, and they *must find*
flaws...so instantly that tends to skew things toward more
negative comments than might be the case if they just picked
the book up off a store shelf and read it. If you can find an
adult *writer* to look at it, you may consider that...but to
go to non-writers for technical advice or reactions or
suggestions on writing is often non-constructive. Their
reaction to the material may be valid, but they may not have
the language or know the writing craft well enough to steer
you in the right direction, and may only succeed in muddying
up the waters. If I were working to be a draftsman, and
finished my first big design, I'd probably show it to another
draftsman before I showed it to my Aunt Morgana la Fey.
Whoever you turn to for advice, always remember that
that advice must always be secondary to what the small, still
voice of the writer inside you insists is correct. You have
to find your own voice, and if that means not taking the other
person's suggestions, then that's what you have to do. Either
you'll be right, or you'll be wrong, and you'll hear the same
comment from dozens of others, or those in the field, and
then you may have to reconsider your position. But initially,
follow your voice.
Magazine sales: no, your story can definitely be
published elsewhere UNLESS the magazine specifically indi-
cates that it buys "all rights." Otherwise, it will usually
buy other rights. First North American rights are the most
common, leaving you free to sell it to other magazines
overseas, and to other magazines in the US after a reasonable
period has passed, or if it's to a non-competing magazine.
It's pretty much unheard of these days for magazines to buy
all rights. (Suggestion: go to your local library and pick
up a copy of WRITER'S MARKET, published yearly by Writer's
Digest Books. They generally explain the various rights you
sell in such situations.)
jms
Subj: DS9 Section: Babylon 5: General
To: Elizabeth Tuesday, December 19, 1995 11:14:07 PM
From: J. Michael Straczynski #418814
Actually, the limited edition of Harlan's "City on the
Edge of Forever" script -- in its various versions, outlines,
with postscripts by Nimoy, Koenig, Kelley, Takai and others -
is already out, and has totally sold out. There will probably
be a trade paperback version sometime next year.
jms
Subj: Official Fanclub Section: Babylon 5: General
To: Matthias Neumann Tuesday, December 19, 1995 11:14:08 PM
From: J. Michael Straczynski #418815
We hope to annouce the B5 fan club within the next week.
jms
Subj: Official Fanclub Section: Babylon 5: General
To: Anne L. Warner December 20, 1995 6:28:21 PM
From: J. Michael Straczynski #419336
Yes, one thing we've been discussing with the friendly
folks at WB is licensing the videos via the fan club as
limited editions. I don't know how limited "limited" is yet,
it kinda depends on our resources. It may just be a few
thousand each as we gear up. (And while we've been told we
*can* make the deal, we haven't yet geared up the paperwork,
as we've been waiting for the fan club paperwork to come in
first.) I'll certainly recommend 2 eps per tape when we do
it; any more than that, and you go to 160 minute tape, which
is thinner, and breaks and stretches more easily than 120
tapes.
(We won't be able to do widescreen until WB authorizes
the re-telecineing of the original negative film stock back
to its initial aspect ratio, and releases the funds to do
that, which are considerable.)
jms
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Subj: Looking Back and Forward Section: Babylon 5: General
To: John M. Kahane Thursday, December 21, 1995 4:07:17 AM
From: J. Michael Straczynski #419590
Regarding "Legacies," there's one brief blip in there
that we're going to see again; I'm not sure I'd call it a
clue, but certainly a cue...a hint of something to come. You
won't have to wonder what it is; it'll be shown in a flashback
in that particular yet-to-air episode.
What does the learning curve tell me these days? That
I've got a LOT of learning ahead of me yet.
Re: season 3 scripts...I'm quite happy with them, and the
finished episodes. I'd put on the top of the list for this
season (not necessarily in order) Messsages From Earth, Point
Of No Return, Severed Dreams, Voices of Authority, Passing
Through Gethsemane, A Late Delivery From Avalon, Dust To Dust,
and Convictions; they're real favorites of mine. I suspect
that Ship of Tears and Interludes & Examinations will also
come out *very* well.
jms
Subj: JMS resigns rastb5 Section: Babylon 5: General
To: Anne L. Warner Monday, December 18, 1995 11:25:09 PM
From: J. Michael Straczynski #418141
<Quoting Anne L. Warner to JMS>:
>Oh, dear! Coming from you, such reassurance (that I'll
>get my wish to learn about Valen and the Grey Council
>"and then some.") is very disturbing. I'll wait
>eagerly. Do I hold my breath? or is this months or
>seasons in the future?
Figure by the end of this season you'll know a lot more
about all this.
jms
Subj: <Notes for upcoming eps> Section: Babylon 5: Upcoming
To: John Yuen Thursday, December 21, 1995 3:32:30 AM
From: J. Michael Straczynski #419582
Actually, only 1 in the mini-arc of 3 will remain after
the next batch; the final two, as of now, in the January/Feb-
ruary period will be "Messages From Earth," the 1st of the
three, then "Point of No Return." Only "Severed Dreams" will
remain for the following cluster.
jms
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