Quit complaining about JMS's comments

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Subject: Quit complaining about JMS's comments
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+  1: Aug 29, 1996: homer at viser.net (Homer Brown)
+  4: Aug 30, 1996: espinoza at cgl.ucsf.EDU (Hernan Espinoza)
*  5: Sep  3, 1996: jmsatb5 at aol.com (Jms at B5)

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From: homer at viser.net (Homer Brown)
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Well, this group would not exist without JMS.  

Give him free reign. 

Mellow out people.  

JMS is an excellent writer and I think he told Theron off quite well.
Who cares who is right??  

Big Deal...  Lets move on....

But first...  Something to think about.  If people complain too much
about JMS's posts then perhaps he might not take so much time out of
his busy schedule to enlighten us with them.  Do you want that??


Homer Brown
homer at viser.net

On 29 Aug 1996 20:59:50 GMT, yingst at bonaire.ccit.arizona.edu (James R
Yingst) wrote:
>In article <01bb95d3$cb7b15a0$dd76cdcd at tam>,
>Marc Kat Lombart <wildkat at Generation.NET> wrote:
>>Heilsa Peter et al:
>>	I don't want to start an argument here, but felt I had to respond to
>>Peter's post in regards Joe's post. 
>>	Peter objected that Joe should not have Flamed Theron here, as he must
>>abide by the rules here too. Sure, I agree, no flames or other personal
>>attacks should be accepted, even by Joe, BUT, Joe's post, IMO, was not a
>>flame. Remember what a flame is, a post used to attack someone with
>>inflamatory remarks. Joe's post was a contradiction of "lies" that Theron
>>aledgedly [I didn't catch the post myself] made.
>>
>>	For Joe to point out the lies and accuse Theron of lying is not a flame,
>>not when Theron [aledgedly] made public lies and attack on Joe.
>
>Quoting from JMS' last paragraph:
>
>"You're a sick, pathetic, twisted, vicious individual, Theron.  Sop why
>not take your bile and your lies and your delusional bullshit somewhere
>else." 
>
>Of *course* it's a flame.  I understand where Joe's coming from, I even
>largely agree with him.  But this is very definitely a flame.  Regardless
>of whether or not Theron's post was a flame or troll, this one was a
>flame.  Obviously it got through on automod, which is a necessary risk if
>we want to keep the moderation light most of the time.  But it's still 
>against the charter, and the moderators should try to stop this sort of 
>thing when possible - even if it originates from JMS.
>
>As for Theron's post, I think people are over-reacting.  The only real
>problem with it is that Theron misquoted Joe - the rest is just mildly
>annoying.  If the moderator in question knew that it was a misquote, they
>probably should have rejected it.  If they didn't, though, it was
>perfectly appropriate to let the post through, and let more knowledgeable
>people correct it in a calm, rational manner.  Unfortunately because of
>past experiences, many people become inflamed at the very sight of
>Theron's name, and their posts reflect this.  I would suggest that in the
>future, any time a Theron post is approved by the moderators (since he's
>surely on the hand moderated list), they should strongly consider putting
>the rest of the thread on hand-moderation if possible.
>
>Jim Yingst
>yingst at u.arizona.edu
>
>



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From: espinoza at cgl.ucsf.EDU (Hernan Espinoza)
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homer at viser.net (Homer Brown) writes:

>Well, this group would not exist without JMS.  

	Sure it would.  Having JMS here makes the group better, but
it would go on without him as long as there were people here who wanted
to talk about the show...like me.

>Give him free reign. 

	Never.   No one should be exempt from the rules we agreed to for
participation in this group.  The occasional lapse isn't a problem, but
if it becomes a habit, it should be dealt with.  (Just like everybody else)

>Mellow out people.  

>JMS is an excellent writer and I think he told Theron off quite well.
>Who cares who is right?? 

>Big Deal...  Lets move on....

	I guess this is what bothers me.  This was meant to be as flame-free
a place as reasonably possible.  We have to agree to try to keep it that
way the first time we try to post here and then we are on the honor system.
It *IS* a Big Deal if we consciously allow someone to flaunt their 
responsibility to honor that agreement.   I have not been the model citizen
here all the time, but I try, and I expect no less(and no more) from everyone
else here...JMS included.

>But first...  Something to think about.  If people complain too much
>about JMS's posts then perhaps he might not take so much time out of
>his busy schedule to enlighten us with them.  Do you want that??

	Based on everything I have read from JMS, I will give him more credit
than that.  It seems to me that JMS doesn't consider himself above the rules,
nor would he especially want to be placed there.   -Hernan


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From: jmsatb5 at aol.com (Jms at B5)
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"Something to think about.  If people complain too much about JMS's posts
then perhaps he might not take so much time out of his busy schedule to
enlighten us with them."

Not much chance of that.  Zero, actually.  I've been riding the nets, and
taking the brickbats with the praise, since 1984.  Very little fazes me. 
Complaints are part and parcel, and sometimes they're justified, and
sometimes they're not, but they're just a part of the process.  

Nutcases are, natch, a somewhat different issue...but them we just deal
with.


 jms



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