[B5JMS] B5 revival rumors in latest Jerry Doyle interview

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From: caldodge at fpcc.net (Calvin Dodge)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 04:40:51 +0000 (UTC)
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jmsatb5 at aol.com (Jms at B5) wrote in message news:<20030905011226.28444.00000660 at mb-m03.aol.com>...
> >Coulter is the right's Carville. 
> 
> Not correct.  I can't think of any time when Carville has spoken of Republicans
> or Conservatives in the terms that she has used, inclusive of: Liberals hate
> America, Liberals hate all religions except Islam. and that even Islamic

Can you point us to the exact quote, please?  Can you show us it was
serious (like black "leaders" equating tax cuts with the KKK?), rather
than sarcastic?  Perhaps you haven't noticed that Coulter uses sarcasm
rather - dare I say it - liberally?

> terrorists don't hate America as much as liberals do.

Naaah ... for that sort of blanket condemnation one needs to turn to
Ted Turner, instead.

"As with mosquitoes, horseflies and most bloodsucking parasites,
Kenneth Starr was spawned in stagnant water" - James Carville

"As long as the Republicans keep serving up the same worthless ideas,
the American people won't care who's running the GOP" - James Carville

See ... Carville's crap is on a smaller scale - aimed at individuals,
or political parties.  That makes him better than Coulter.

Oh - but there's this: "Thanks to the U.S. Supreme Court, you'll be
able to use public money to send yours kids to General Beauregard
Bigot Private Academy, Fundamentalist Football and Frequent Drug
Tests. They have these religious schools that teach these kids
insanity like the earth is 5,000 years old, where the pope is a demon.
I don't want my tax money going to that kind of crap. You can practice
religion until you fall out. I don't want to pay for somebody else's
bigotry."

So Christians are bigots who want to use tax money to perpetuate that
bigotry in their children.

Well, Joe, I guess you're right - Carville didn't accuse all
Christians of hating America. He ISN'T vicious like Coulter!



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From: jmsatb5 at aol.com (Jms at B5)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 01:06:21 +0000 (UTC)
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>Oh - but there's this: "Thanks to the U.S. Supreme Court, you'll be
>able to use public money to send yours kids to General Beauregard
>Bigot Private Academy, Fundamentalist Football and Frequent Drug
>Tests. They have these religious schools that teach these kids
>insanity like the earth is 5,000 years old, where the pope is a demon.
>I don't want my tax money going to that kind of crap. You can practice
>religion until you fall out. I don't want to pay for somebody else's
>bigotry."
>
>So Christians are bigots who want to use tax money to perpetuate that
>bigotry in their children.

See, you lose arguments when you restate something to make your point that
contradicts or flies in the face of what actuallly said.  

When you say "So..." and restate it, you add things that were simply never said
nor ever intended.  Carville was referring to a specific institution, for
starters, and adding that he didn't want public money to go to religious
schools, which is in line with the separation of church and state.

He didn't say "Christians are bigots who want to use tax money to perpetuate
that bigotry in their children."  YOU said that in order to set up a straw-man
argument.  YOU applied it on a broader scale, and YOU were the one who said
that Christians as a class were bigots, not Carville.

If you have to twist statements to make your case, you don't HAVE a case.


 jms

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