[B5JMS] From jms Re: Jerry Doyle hopeful of B5 revival

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From: John Duncan Yoyo <john-duncan-yoyo at cox.net>
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 20:57:03 +0000 (UTC)
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On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:32:34 +0000 (UTC), Wendy of NJ
<voxwoman at hotmail.com> wrote:

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>John Duncan Yoyo wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:39:20 +0000 (UTC), Wendy of NJ
>> <voxwoman at hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>>
>>>Kathryn Huxtable wrote:
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>>>>jrobertson at nitrosys.com (Jon Robertson) writes:
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>>>>>That story is over.  It was great.  I loved it.  I plan on owning
>>>>>all five seasons in one form or another.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>As much as it pains me, I have to agree. The story is over.
>>>>
>>>>There are minor stories that can be told, e.g. the telepath war, which
>>>>could have guest appearances by the old cast with maybe one or two of
>>>>them as regulars, but it probably won't happen for a long time.
>>>>
>>>>Consider Trek. TNG didn't have any cast overlap between TOS, did it?
>>>>(I've actually never watched TNG.)
>>>
>>>No, they set TNG 80 years in the future from TOS for just that reason. 
>>>Even so, McCoy had a cameo in the pilot, and Spock (and Sarek)  had 
>>>guest shots in later seasons. The other series' (DS9 mostly) shared 
>>>characters from TNG. I think that was to boost ratings or something, and 
>>>the TNG people had cameos on Vger once in a while, too.
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>> Scotty had an appearance on TNG- after being trapped in a transporter
>> loop on a dyson sphere for some major fraction of the eighty years.
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>Yah. I forgot about that one. I liked some of the things about that ep, 
>too. Don't know why that one slipped my mind.

I know what you mean.  I think the best thing that came from that
appearance is that Scotty became available for the TNG novels.  The
Star Fleet Corps of Engineers stories feature Scotty as the boss of
the Corps.  I like the stories that play in the universe but don't
over use the main casts.
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From: jmsatb5 at aol.com (Jms at B5)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 02:05:45 +0000 (UTC)
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Forgive the repost in case the other note doesn't get through....

So there's a response on filmforce.ign.com from Jerry to the discussion t=
hat
took place here about his statements on that system that he was putting
together a follow-up to B5 as a series.  I thought I'd repost what I just=
 sent
to the folks who posted his reply, as well as Jerry's comments, unaltered=
. =20

My comments are prefaced by the > character.


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To quote from the note from Jerry, and respond, with my responses in ital=
ics:
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I'm not one for chat rooms or newsgroups, but this was brought to my atte=
ntion
by numerous people, and here's my response=E2=80=A6

F*** Joe and his typical controlling bull****.
=20
>Well, at least we've defined the terms of the discussion.

I guess Doug Netter hasn't been talking to me or the "radio guy" or whoev=
er.=20
=20
>Doug returned Jerry's call, yes.  We do that when our cast members call.=
  But
to my knowledge there have been no talks between Doug and the "radaio guy=
."=20
Which is exactly what I'd said.
=20
I guess Doug didn't send demographics and related data to the "radio guy".
=20
>Jerry asked us to send information, information was sent.  That doesn't =
have
anything to do with anything that I said in my notes on the newsgroup.
=20
I guess Doug is lying when he told me he's had conversations with the "ra=
dio
guy" and that Joe already has some ideas on paper.=20
=20
>It's clear that someone has their wires crossed, yes.  But to go back to=
 what
I'd said: if someone has the clout to make a deal, I'm here to talk to th=
em,
whilch again is what I'd said.  But no one has yet come to either Doug or
myself with anything close to that.  I've never done any work based on so=
me guy
in Chicago who thinks he can make something happen with Jerry. =20
=20
I guess I didn't fly out to Chicago to meet with the "radio guy" in the m=
iddle
of August.=20
=20
>I never said he didn't.  What Jerry does or doesn't do on his own time, =
with
his own dime, is Jerry's business.  This is a case of Jerry defending him=
self
from an accusation that I never made.  All I've ever said is that nobody =
has
yet come to us with anything resembling a deal, or shown the potential to=
 make
a deal happen.
=20
Oh by the way, the "radio guy", he's the NUMBER ONE syndicator in the cou=
ntry
and has strong ties to the head of Fox. I guess that's something else I m=
ade
up.
=20
>Again, this has nothing to do with what was said.  I didn't say this guy
wasn't a syndicator of any level, and never said he didn't have ties to F=
ox.=20
So once more Jerry is setting up a straw man argument to defend something=
 that
was simply never implied or stated. =20

Joe can say what he wants. He can spout his crap about how "he's the man"
around which all things B5 spin.=20
=20
>Well, yeah, I did create the series, executive produce it, write 91 out =
of 110
episodes, and I do control many of the rights.  And no deal can go forwar=
d
without my involvement.  By contract, if it doesn't happen with me, it do=
esn't
happen.  I still don't see what that has to do with anything, however. =20
=20
At least I'm still trying to bring back what should never have been taken=
 off
the air. The fans deserve the show.=20
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>I've never said anything to the contrary.  I've said, and I'll say it ag=
ain
here, that I'll listen to anybody who has the wherewithal to put a deal
together.  So far that hasn't happened, despite Jerry's pronouncements.  =
I
pointed that fact out.  That is the only fact that Jerry hasn't dealt wit=
h
here, apparently finding it easier to respond to things I didn't say than=
 to
things I did say, which is odd, but there you go.
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Joe's ego deserves a much bigger person.
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>Some things deserve a response, some things don't.  This is one of the l=
atter.
 He hasn't refuted anything I said, which was that Jerry has talked a lot=
 about
a lot of prospects, but to date none of them have materialized.  If I wer=
e
wrong, then something would have been put forward.  That's simply a state=
ment
of fact, ego has nothing to do with it. =20

Feel free to post this from where it came. I'm tired of all the bull****.
=20
>I'm glad that Jerry has taken this opportunity to vent.  Clearly, he mis=
ses
the show and wants it to come back.  We all miss the show.  But at the sa=
me
time, it's not fair to the fans that Jerry mentions to get people excited=
 about
something that doesn't exist.  I'm glad that he is trying to get things g=
oing,
for himself and with others, but talking about things doesn't make them s=
o, and
pointing this out is not inappropriate when, based on those statements, I=
 find
my email box filled with inquiries about things that simply aren't happen=
ing.=20
I've worked with the online community for ten years now, talking about B5=
 and
being painfully honest about what's going on. =20
=20
>If there were something going on involving a return of the series that w=
as
real, I'd be the first person to talk about it and let people know.  But =
there
isn't.  I have to be honest with people, because I have ten years worth o=
f
reputation and credibility with the fans to protect.  I see that Jerry do=
esn't
like that, but I can't change that now because he's offended.  And again,=
 at
the end of the day, it comes down to this: Jerry says he's got something =
going
that's real.  If he does, and makes it happen, then I look like a fool, w=
hich
I'm okay with, it wouldn't be the first time.  Then he's right to be offe=
nded.=20
If he doesn't, and he can't...then on what possible basis can one be offe=
nded?
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>Just a thought or two for anyone looking on.
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>Joe Straczynski
 jms

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